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Is it normal or just google don't like?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by neriodavid, Aug 5, 2005.

  1. #1
    I'm a fresh man in the SEO field. After I built several store use the famous oscommerce, I read some about how to do SEO.

    Right now, I have these two store online for less than two monts, and the MSN and Yahoo indexed my pages without any problem, but the google doesn't. I install a googlebot-crawled-alert module on my sites, and very often, I can receive emails that tell me the google has crawled my sites. If only according the emails I got, the google should indexed about 100 pages of my sites now. But in the google search engine, I do a "site: domain.com" query, only 1 page can be found. Another things is my Link Popularity, I did a "Link Popularity Check" via http://www.marketleap.com/services/freetools/default.htm, the MSN and Yahoo have several hundreds links whick links to my sites can be found, but on google, there is NONE!

    I just think maybe google need some time to update the new-crawled data. But I'm not sure.

    Did anyone have the same experience before?
     
    neriodavid, Aug 5, 2005 IP
  2. hans

    hans Well-Known Member

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    #2
    without your domain name there is nothing at all to be said about probable cause of google problems
     
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    swoop Active Member

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    Have you used Google's Sitemap tool?
     
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  4. neriodavid

    neriodavid Peon

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    #4
    my domain:
    weibrother.com and x-coin.com

    yes, I use a google's sitemap tool.
     
    neriodavid, Aug 7, 2005 IP
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    muchacho Active Member

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    I have a site that googlebot visits from time to time. It has visited the home page a couple the times, but the strange thing is that it visits another inner page every 2 or 3 days (only that page, no others, I wonder who he found that page). It's almost 2 months since google do that, and my site is not even indexed (maybe it is banned).

    At least your sites are indexed. Can you have a look at the logs? How long since google crawled your sites for the first time?
     
    muchacho, Aug 8, 2005 IP
  6. neriodavid

    neriodavid Peon

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    logs? What logs. I don't remember the exactly date tha the google first crawled my sites. But I think it's about two months ago.
    Today, again I receive 175 emails which told me that google have crawled these two site alone which page it crawled. But in the google search engine, there is still only the home page can be found.
     
    neriodavid, Aug 8, 2005 IP
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    Same here, I have better luck with Yahoo and MSN. But I notice that all googlebots that visit me are freshbot (IP 64.xx.xx.xx) and not deepbot (IP 216.xx.xx.xx). Probably that's why although I have no clue how to get the deepbots to spider my site. This sucks!
     
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    How do your URLs look?

    It has been my experience that Google prefers HTML or at least URLs that dont read - http://domain.com/id=awevtyawb4tpya&w4aw4t836q34?9q4poav23508%q3tq47q4n2v.

    When my web developer rewrote the ugly URLs to look like normal HTML URLs, we were indexed within two days.

    Yahoo! seems to have the least amount of trouble with ugly URLs however.
     
    mtb167, Aug 9, 2005 IP
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    MattL Well-Known Member

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    You can select SE friendly URLs in the OSCommerce Admin.
     
    MattL, Aug 9, 2005 IP
  10. Web Gazelle

    Web Gazelle Well-Known Member

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    If it is a new site then there is a good chance you will have to do your time in the sandbox.
     
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  11. hans

    hans Well-Known Member

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    neriodavid

    Google loves clean valid code!

    pls see
    http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://weibrother.com/
    and if you mess up comment-tags
    you may end up all page or substantial part of it being comment ...

    in addition, you may also want to REMOVE THIS page
    http://www.weibrother.com/index.html

    very much the same applies for your x-coin.com as well ...
    check validator for that domain as well and clean up all bugs

    re your:
    "logs? What logs. ..."

    access_log files

    something every host offers for a site
    download them
    use a good tool such as webalizer - configure the tool according to your detailed professional needs
    then look at all access data to see who when where how accessed your site
    and what bots come how often and who is missing your site

    we very apparently have a market niche for professionals - a "how to open a website corrrectly ..."
    a one week workshop on all essentials from correct web design ABOVE basics, validation, seo, site tools, etc ...
    may be soemone has pity with all new site owners and earns a living with such seminars ??

    i just have a visitor here on the island - an employee from one of the largest hosting company, several million sites hosted ) here and we found out that most ppl opening a site have actually no knowledge about even the most basic stuff of server control and server management and site tools.
     
    hans, Aug 9, 2005 IP
  12. neriodavid

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    Thanks to point it out, hans.
    I know there are errors in my markup. But I just wondering, is it "no Doctype found" or the doctype is wrong? I ask this because I checked the php script, and found indeed there has a doctype defined: <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">.

    And I use the SEO url, which means my urls are like "http://XXXXX.html".

    Thanks for you advice.
     
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    hans Well-Known Member

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    doc type declaration is CAsE sensitive !! for ALL doc types.
    take that one until you have a better one:

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
    its fully validated on my pages.

    ALL errors NEED to be removed FIRST before any additonal problems can be solved or even discussed here ... i.e. a 100% validated page from top to bottom.
    you have plenty of fatal errors in your code !!
     
    hans, Aug 10, 2005 IP
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    Web Gazelle Well-Known Member

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    Firefox has some extensions for validating code. They are very nice.
     
    Web Gazelle, Aug 10, 2005 IP
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    I know, I know. Excuse me I didn't pay attention for markup validating before. The thing is I use oscommerce and install many contributions; they are mix up with xhtml, html, so my pages may seem to be a mess. I think I need some time to care fully check the code out.
    And thanks for let me know the "doc type declaration is CAsE sensitive".

    This is good for check the static html code I think. I still need go through the php code especially the "echo" statment which output the html tags. Does anyone can give any good adivce?
     
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    hans Well-Known Member

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    the only power-advice i can give you is what i did for years myself until these days ...
    invest as few hundred hours, weeks months and all ongoing future to learn all from scratch and let your site grow with your own knowledge and growing skills

    create pages with tools if you master the code and tool and know exactly what the tool is doing
    rather than becoming "victim" of a tool that does things you have no idea what it does and wether the tool ( site creator tools, generators ) do it right or wrong.

    your sites are a typical example for what happens if tools do all out of control.

    to change php templates
    you first need to know the basics of valid code
    then you can adjust or correct / modify the templates or php pages that create the pages to assure only valid code is created
    valid to 100%

    btw
    a comment tag has only 2 "-" on either side
    hence
    <!--
    and
    -->

    never trust a tool
    be able to manage and control a tool - hence YOU have to know what the tool has to know and to do

    control the output before trusting
    validate every single page the tool is doing - even after years of successful use.
     
    hans, Aug 10, 2005 IP
  17. neriodavid

    neriodavid Peon

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    ok, I believe I'm validated my sites now. But it seems things don't go any better.

    PS. I have several pages not been validated yet, but I believe in several days, it will be all done.

    The thing is Google keep crawled my sites, but in the www.google.com, it don't show up my pages.
     
    neriodavid, Aug 21, 2005 IP
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    ff7799 Banned

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    Hi I've think I've been in googles sandbox for around a year now and I'am still waiting for google to begin indexing my pages, however anytime I do a link:http://www.nycfashions.net it only shows me being linked to one site, when I run a link popularity it says i'am linking to 2 sites, I have however typed to domain directly into googles search and found a result so I assume its indexed on some basic level any suggestions.
     
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    The sandbox has nothing to do with indexing, it has to do with ranking.
     
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    hans Well-Known Member

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    ff7799

    web site-suicide appears to be fun for some
    for you apparently as well
    but why whine if you love suicide
    ...???

    or

    did you never have a real look at your code ??
    may be of every single page ...

    somewhere in the middle of yourdomain- index -page
    around Line 154
    you have a second set of metatags starting where clean content-text and links belong

    see your second
    <title>Louis Vuitton --- Louis Vuitton</title>
    ... etc

    that of course kills bots - G bot before all else
    and you never can expect anything else but to in IN the sandbox or in this case IN the google coffin

    i recommend you make good friend with selfhtml tutorial
    and firefox web developer toolbar
    then you may get out of the Google coffin and out of the G sandbox as well before next Christmas time
     
    hans, Aug 24, 2005 IP