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How do I report a site violating international/local laws?

Discussion in 'Google' started by onerkaan, Feb 28, 2007.

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    Recently, I have noticed some forum sites (using free forum creators such as Invision Plus at a very low annual cost), where they are clearly set up to promote a specific religious or political view.

    In a democracy everyone should be free to express their views, but I also know that "Content which violates a local, regional, national or international law (most often child pornography, defamation, or promotion of criminal or terrorist activities) can be banned from search engines."

    The above being the case, when I see a forum site where racial and religious hatred , as well as war is being actively promoted, and moderators/administrators are protecting the perpetuators (because it fits their own beliefs/purposes), how do I report it to Google with a view to ban such a site from its listings?
     
    onerkaan, Feb 28, 2007 IP
  2. cellularnews

    cellularnews Peon

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    If the site is set up to promote a "specific religious or political view" - then, unless you are living in a dictatorship, it is probably not illegal.

    I would be hugely against anyone censoring that simply because it does not fit with your personal political views.
     
    cellularnews, Feb 28, 2007 IP
  3. redwine

    redwine Active Member

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    you should contact free forum's hosting company
     
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    onerkaan Guest

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    Just to give you an example - one site is a normal public forum and there is nothing to indicate it belongs to a specific group. It is not a case of it not fitting with anyone's "personal political views" either. If it is against the international or local laws to incite racial hatred - just like displaying child pornography, or violent pornography - I am right in thinking that search engines have a duty to exclude them from their listings.

    It does not follow that they will be stopped from going online, but they will not be promoted by the search engines.
     
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  5. redwine

    redwine Active Member

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    what is the url?
     
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  6. onerkaan

    onerkaan Guest

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    I know this may sound stupid but meaning no offence! I rather not provide the url for such a site - it may help promote and beat the purpose.

    I would supply the url to the official "report" contact address (if there is one) to Yahoo, Google and probably Microsoft so that they can make their own mind.

    What I am asking is; does anyone know or heard of such a reporting link. If so, I would be grateful for the info.
     
    onerkaan, Feb 28, 2007 IP
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    GADOOD Peon

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    Stop being a frickin' busy body, people are entitled to say what the hell they want. If you don't like a certain forum, don't visit it. Why do you care. Why do you want to silence voices. Just because you have a beef with a forum, don't try to shut it down.

    Pete
     
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  8. cellularnews

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    Firstly, there is no "international law" about racial hatred etc.

    Secondly, any local laws would only apply locally

    Thirdly, you are wrong to think that a search engine must not link to such a forum.

    For example, you refused to provide a link because you didn't want to give them publicity. However, had you provided the link - then wouldn't you be breaking the same "international laws" which you are trying to use to stop the search engines displaying the same link?
     
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  9. yfs1

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    There is also a thing called freedom of expression, though that right should not be used to incite racial or religous hatred.
     
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    Although promoting war (the OPs example) is a bit different the inciting racial or relegious hatred.

    Also, one persons "Promoting War" is anothers "Defending Freedom, etc"

    Just see the Politics section of this forum
     
    yfs1, Feb 28, 2007 IP
  12. onerkaan

    onerkaan Guest

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    I have visited so many forums, this kind of aggressive reply is fast becoming a norm when it concerns a newcomer. An uncivil approach and an offensive one as well!

    For your information NO! People are not always entitled to say what they want! Neither is it a case of not visiting a public forum because you don't like it. Just like I am not allowed to take out my "watsit" and piss in the middle of a public road, or call for some kind of violent action against another whom I do not like - in a public place. The same applies to other forms of public media including the internet.

    If a site repeatedly features posts where members are inciting racial and religious hatred, as well as blocking any opposing views - that is not free speech but something else. Your idea of "free speech" would be to have a Nazi , an Al Kaida, or a "white Christian" racist sites preaching what they like. You probably have no objections to peodophile sites either!

    To me there is morally and politically something very wrong where such "freedom" is concerned. As a fellow member of the human race and father of two children plus dozens of nieces and cousins, I do make myself busy with dealing with such matters when they attract my attention. It is not a case of being a "busy body" but it is called having a moral obligation to the community and the world we live in.

    I agree the laws are local, but most internet sites and forums are public and not private member's clubs - hence an unsuspecting visitor can easily be offended or vulnerable young ones can be brain-washed. In a real world you could not say some of the things even in a private club without breaking the law or getting in trouble.

    As for Google, it is OK to censor sites in China, but not when it concernes more serious matters - is that what you are saying?
    Remember, in a democracy, freedom = free to say and do what you like as long as it does not infringe the freedom of the others!

    Obviously I am in the wrong forum for sensible questions to be asked! :rolleyes:
     
    onerkaan, Feb 28, 2007 IP
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    How does a war supporter infringe on your freedoms?
     
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    I presume then that someone will close down all "anti-Bush" websites - while someone else will shut down all the "pro-Bush" websites for the same reason.

    Not to mention Fred Phelps, or Bonsai Kitten etc.

    Where does your brand of censorship end?
     
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    I guess calling the Interpol won't work there.

    just kidding.

    I don't know, would filing a DCMA complaint be any good?

    Other than that, could be kind of difficult.
     
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    first of all. Your not the internet police so don't go around looking for these things to report, because if google has a problem with it they will find it. and two its not your business to deal with it anyway. If the search engines see a problem then thats fine let them deal with it. They are there to provide search results for what people look for. They cant block what people want to see.

    And to show you that they wont do anything. Porn could be considered doing more harm than what this forum does. Does that mean that links dont show up in google search? of course not. Theres nothing you can do so stop trying. I don't agree with alot of things people say but im not that noise neighbor that walks around and tries to catch someone just so i can report them. Your being to noisy for your own good. IF theres a problem google will find it and deal with it. Keep to yourself
     
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    Freedom of expression is what keeps this world sane and growing ...... it may have its problems but it is better then a world which has freedom of expression
     
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    What? I think you need to re-write that :D .
     
    killafawk, Mar 1, 2007 IP
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    Shetty is actually John Kerry...He just posts under that name annonymously
     
    yfs1, Mar 2, 2007 IP