All SEO is Blackhat : Do You Agree?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Kirby6, Jan 25, 2007.

  1. #1
    I was doing my daily routine of reading SEO blogs, and this blog post goes on to explain why all SEO is blackhat. I completely disagree. I've been following this blog for a long time, it's even in my recent blog posts because I don't have an SEO blog of my own, but I just can't believe they said something like this.

    People that practice black hat SEO are on the same level as hackers in my opinion. People aren't seeing the cloaked links or invisible text that the black hatters put out there. With white hat SEO, you aren't deceiving anybody, your site gets the ranking that it deserves. If you make your headings have a keyword in them (that the blog post nitpicks at), your viewers can see that, and so what? If your site is about the heading, then it should be ranked for it.

    The article is absurd...

    Anyways, what are your thoughts?
     
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  2. PHP5-Hosting

    PHP5-Hosting Peon

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    #2
    Is there a clear definition of what blackhat is?
    If too much manipulation of ones site is considered as blackhat then all SEO's are indeed blackhats - this is just a scenario / not a declaration of fact.

    So, i guess it depends on how we define blackhat.
     
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  3. coolsitez

    coolsitez Well-Known Member

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    #3
    G suggests to follow their webmaster guildlines for an inclusion to their search engine. What they have suggested on that page is a part of on-page SEO. Things like meta tag, outbound links, and some other HTML stuff.

    Doing those SEO things is recommended by G. But of course they don't encourage people to do link exchange and other off-page SEO methods.

    So what they say ok is probably we like to call "white hat". Everything else is more likely "black hat" methods.

    But the intention of SEO that webmasters have is probably blak hat because we try to manipulate the rank at SERPs :D
     
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  4. thegypsy

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    uhh.. last I checked hacking was illegal... manipulating SERPs isn't.... just to clear that one up at least...

    Outside of that.. I have participated in 4-5 of these threads in the last week.. I am all talked out... sorry
     
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  5. peaches

    peaches Guest

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    So your saying that if Search engines say its okay its not blackhat? I mean who says they get to decide what is black hat and what isn't. The only reason blackhat started was because search engines don't want to lose money IMO. They don't want a bunch of spam sites or sites that are out to make money at the top of their results, which is what seo is used for, so they named it as bad...Because if their results suck because we know what were doing to get to the top, then they will penilize us.

    Huge sites have been caught doing things like keyword stuffing, and get penilized for a week...I get caught and its life. BS if you ask me...

    SEO is SEO...there is no black hat, no white hat, just search engines that want to have great results or else they don't make money...kinda like MSN's problem.....

    That blog post is dead on, I love that blog also Kirby and I'm glad theres an seo blog out there that isn't afraid to say whats what...
     
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    A lot of what is known as black hat SEO was tolerated or used by the search engines in the past, but some web administrators went overboard and now these techniques are frowned upon by the white hat SEO community. These black hat SEO practices will actually provide short-term gains in terms of rankings, but if you are discovered utilizing these spamming techniques on your Web site, you run the risk of being penalized by search engines. Black hat SEO basically is a short-sighted solution to a long-term challenge, which is creating a Web site that provides both a great user experience and is easy to index by search engines. Read more on Black Hat SEO Manipluation ....
     
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  7. peaches

    peaches Guest

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    Link building is a so called White Hat SEO technique, yet Google is saying that buying links is wrong, and they will penilize for it...So....how many of you don't do so called black hat seo then?
     
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    #8

    That article smells like link bait to me...controversy sells..(my apologies to the owner if I'm wrong) But, link bait isn't bad anyway...
     
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    #9
    There is no such thing as black hat or white hat......

    Its atually called trying to get results for your site on the CORRUPT search engines that keep screwing us all over
     
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  10. Kirby6

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    It's illegal in the sense that it breaks the rules or "laws" of the search engines.
     
    Kirby6, Jan 26, 2007 IP
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    Lots of truth in this statement.

    Most WH and BH techniques are trying to gain rank position unnaturally by manipulating the SE's current algorithm. This is not the intention of the SE's, they want sites to rank naturally.

    So there is a difference in techniques in WH vs BH. Yet they are in the exact same category of unnantural ranking.
     
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  12. Kirby6

    Kirby6 Peon

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    Hmm interesting point
     
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    If all SEO was black hat, then there would be no white hat SEO. If there's no white hat SEO, there's no black hat SEO. Should be real easy to understand.
     
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    What??? That makes absolutly no sense what so ever.... I think you are saying that you agree that there really isn't any different kinds of SEO, if thats what you mean, then I agree. Thanks.
     
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    Geez, just think about it.
     
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    adiace Active Member

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    I guess common sense isn't a strong quality of yours? What Icheb said makes perfect sense.
     
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    Seriously...this thread delivers, even if it is a troll.

    The jokes on us...and to see someone reply that gaming SERPs is illegal. That's priceless.
     
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    last time I check, no one ever got arrested for manipulating the serps
     
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    Damned crappy content generator [​IMG]
     
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  20. peaches

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    I understand what he's saying...but it still is stupid...

    He is saying there isn't any different types of seo and that seo is just seo... Which I totally agree with. All seo is seo...there isn't a difference like everyone says there is. I admit I did get confused at first, but I think I just misread it the first time.
     
    peaches, Jan 26, 2007 IP