Blackhat myths and facts

I've seen some pretty ridiculous ideas of what black hat means here on the forums lately, so I wanted to a start a discussion, and possibly educate a few people at the same time.

Myth 1) My white hat domain is going to get banned.

No black hat that knows what they are doing will ever use black hat techniques directly on a white hat domain. You instead use throwaway domains and cloak redirect the traffic toward your white domains. Search engines can not penalize a site for incoming links, only for outgoing links. Otherwise it would be far too easy to point a few hundred spam domains toward a competitor getting them deindexed.

myth 2) back hat domains never rank in the search engines

I've heard this one more than once and it's pretty ridiculous. They can actually rank quite well if you have the right tools and link building techniques.

myth 3) black hat domains only last a few days in the serps

Quite far from the truth. I've got almost 100 domains from September that still rank well in google, yahoo, and msn. They produce traffic, and convert sales.



Post some more questions here and i'll try to answer them or at least spark some conversation. Lets keep the name calling and other childish behavior to a minimum.

 

I've read that is not correct. Those cloak redirects COULD get you penalized.

I've never seen any.

Most of link spammers get their domains banned within month.

You said myths?

Let me correct your myths:

1) black hat could ban your domain
2) they mostly doesn't rank good
3) they usually last less than a month

Blog, forum, wiki and other link spam cannot work for long.

 

1) Actually, header redirects based on ip cloaking are completely undetectable. It would take a manual review and someone that knows exactly what they are looking for to find it. Some people use javascript redirects, and these can get you banned in a hurry since google can read javascript.

2) I've had over 1 million hits from google and yahoo this month alone that says my spam domains rank quite well.

3) Again, this is true if you

a) don't know what you are doing.
or
b) go overboard on your link spamming.

 

Agree that they useually rank pretty high.
But that's only untill google find out.

 

It's all in the keywords you target. If you go after insurance or medical terms your spam pages will not last long. These are so heavily reviewed and watched that it's almost impossible to stay on top. On the other hand, ranking well for individual affiliate related products is easy, and your domains can remain at the top of the results for months earning you money without anyone being the wiser. So i'll say it again . It's all in the keywords you target

 

It all depends on your business strategy.

White hat = Longer term (the only method that you should apply to conventional businesses that are already succesful offline)

Black hat = Shorter term (If you know what you're doing, you're in it for the quick buck, you don't want to establish a brand)

 

So do you target hundreds of small keyword via one big site, or a individual site per keyword typically?

 

A little bit of both. 100's of keywords on each domain along with hundreds of domains. Diversity is best.

 

That's one way of looking at it, but there is room for both. Use blackhat for your short term traffic goals while working on white hat seo to further your domain in the long term. Works quite well, and none of my domains have ever seen a sandbox .

 

yer a mad man dOOd - ha ha ha ha ha.... did 3 or so BH threads recently.. gonna watch this one from the sidelines fer a bit

 

I'm waiting for the flame fest. Thank you to everyone for keeping things civil thus far . These types of discussions help dispel myths, and help us all further understand what we are up against.

 

Very interesting! Thanks for the thread.

About myth 2, what are the right tools and link building techniques?

 

The tools need to be able to build unique content, not just scraper sites that will get filtered or banned.

The link building needs to be targeted and find niche related links without spamming the same places over and over.

That's part of my recipe.

 

I can't wait until everyone grasps the whole global warming idea...then we could release "green hat" SEO...something that doesn't harm SEO. Or some kinda o. ok.. where am I going with this.

The way I see it is there is ONLY SEO...not black/white. Blackhat techniques may in the future be used as white and vice versa.

 

1) Actually, header redirects based on ip cloaking are completely undetectable.

Could you share wich tool are you using?

 

I don't want this to turn into a software plugging thread. See my signature or pm me.

 

That's the point I'm trying to drive home. We are all in the same market. 90percent of "black hat seo" is really just an automated version of the same stuff the "white hats" spend hours a day doing. It's all the same. White hats do everything they can to gather back links, so do black hats. The labeling of one or the other as good or bad is really arbitrary.

 

Oh crap - not that again - ha ha ha ha

 

rofl where is visio? When he comes this thread will blow up!

 

Sadly he got banned from digitalpoint I am told