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The Pagerank (PR) Thread

Discussion in 'Google' started by dvduval, Jan 2, 2007.

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  1. master06

    master06 Peon

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    #1081
    my 5 months old directory now have a lot of pr4 and pr3 inner pages but still mainpage has no pr. still im waitin.
     
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  3. Crazy_Zap

    Crazy_Zap Well-Known Member

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    #1083
    @mvandemar: I agree with most of what you say. Links are the single biggest factor in determining PR, without question.

    However, take a closer look at that equation. The whole equation is predicated on the first page (We'll call it "Adam" as in "Adam and Eve") having PR to pass. Without something besides PR going into the system, all pages everywhere are PR0 because nobody has any PR to pass to anyone.

    And, what about cases like Sevenseek? Sevenseek recently recovered from a penalty, whereby they had no PR. They were sitting pretty before the penalty and they didn't lose every single link they had pointing to them, yet they lost all of their PR. If links are the ONLY factor in determining PR, then what happened to Sevenseek is impossible!

    Other factors are at play here and to believe otherwise is closed minded.
     
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  4. MilesB

    MilesB Well-Known Member

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  5. Crazy_Zap

    Crazy_Zap Well-Known Member

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    #1086
    PR is really confusing me this update, got pr for sites long fogotten about and received none for sites I had spent ages building links too.

    e-jokers.org went from 0 to 2
    hhoc.co.uk went from 0-1

    and finally

    h4ck3rz.info went from 0-4

    This confuses me as h4ck3rz has never been publisised as it was a proxy which my host removed within 2 weeks,

    Yet my directory is still pr 0 despite me submitting to over 500 directoies and having loads of reciprocal links.
     
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  7. Geraldm

    Geraldm Well-Known Member

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  8. Mihai

    Mihai Active Member

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    #1088
    Alexa Rank: 129,219
    Google Backlinks: ~117
    Average PR: 2.1 | Max PR: 4 | Min PR: 2
    Summary for http://animeomnitude.com/

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    Alexa Rank: 129,219
    Google Backlinks: ~117
    Average PR: 2.5 | Max PR: 4 | Min PR: 2
    Summary for http://www.animeomnitude.com/


    For you personal reference, use: http://livepr.raketforskning.com/ to find out live, fast details about the page rank of a domain.

    Best regards
     
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  9. bluearrow

    bluearrow Well-Known Member

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    #1089
    things changing but still not final, one data center has dropped to pr0, one of my pr3 sites, and there was few like that in other sites too. so far not good for me.
     
    bluearrow, Jan 10, 2007 IP
  10. arpitagarwal82

    arpitagarwal82 Notable Member

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    #1090
    This thread is growing longer... Am loving it..
    Actually this is my first PR update ( am just a month and half old in this world.), so you can say that am PR virgin:D
    Today i have seen the change in the PR of the feedburner feed of my blog in some DC of Google. But my blog PR is still 0. Means I have to wait for another 3 months to get a PR?:(
     
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    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #1091
    Yes you will go threw the process now... of backlink fluctuation then after its done you will see the PR come back. Its not going tease ya and take it back:p

    All my sites are getting the backlinks updated but am not sure if ill get anymore pr for my sites. The process is happening in bands or waves of websites and i would imagine will take the rest of this week.

    thx
    malcolm
     
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  12. Crazy_Zap

    Crazy_Zap Well-Known Member

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    #1092
    Maybe not. This current update is far from over.
     
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    #1093

    I think you're getting confused between factors that determine ranking and factors that determine PR.

    Links are the only factor that determine PR - that's a fact. Google have released papers, explanations and formulas on how this works, there simply are no other factors that deterime PR other than incoming links.

    The Sevenseek example was a manual penalty not something in the Pagerank formula.

    Take a read of these and let me know if you come up with anything that indicates factors other than external links detemine pagerank.

    http://www.google.com/technology/
    This is the key here,
    The part in italics is referring to the results returned rather than the PR value itself.

    Still not convinced? Try these,
    http://iprcom.com/papers/pagerank/
    http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank.html
    http://www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page-rank-explained.html

    Sorry to labour the point, but a lot of newbies read forums like these and giving out false information doesn't help any of them.
     
    MattUK, Jan 10, 2007 IP
  14. MilesB

    MilesB Well-Known Member

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    #1094
    Lawl pr 4 :( Thanks guys!
     
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  15. Crazy_Zap

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    #1095
    Precisely. Their pagerank was affected and it had absolutely nothing to do with the formula or links.
    It does happen, folks. And, this is, by no means, an isolated incident.

    ...And penalties are not the only means by which pagerank is influenced.


    ...and just because information doesn't fit a narrow view of things, does not make it false.
    People thought the Earth was flat at one time, but we all know better now. Right? :D
     
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    #1096
    Sorry, I forget the exact source, but it works because a page isn't actually PR0 once it is found... I believe the default is either .15 or .015, I think OldWelshGuy might know offhand.

    Ok, yes... a page can be banned from having PR, or from being indexed, or have it's PR wiped out... but that's pretty much it as far as other factors. And while yes, that technically is true... please, can you tell me how the possibility of a page being banned might someone how cause phantom non-link based PR to get generated?

    Well, bro, thinking that maybe a fairy sprinkled some magic PR dust on your website is a bit beyond the whole "open mindedness" thing, ya know? I mean, sure, you could say "well, anyone who believes the in fact that in basic addition, 1 plus 1 always equals 2 must be close minded", but you'd still be wrong.

    However, in the words of the great Socrates:
    Maybe you could explain what you mean to an SEO Theorist, see if they have some reasons other than links for it.

    -Michael
     
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    #1097
    If you're going to start bringing fairies and magic PR dust into the conversation then hope for meaningful discussion is lost.
    It's too bad an intelligent discussion is beyond your capability.
     
    Crazy_Zap, Jan 10, 2007 IP
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    mvandemar Notable Member

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    Oh, yeah, the SEO Theory guy is right up your alley, that's for sure.

    -Michael
     
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    #1099
    Soooo... good morning to everyone and, how are you rankings amongst the three fricken stooges; Gaygle, Gayhoo & MSGay
     
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    #1100
    I give up, this guy's obviously discovered something new that legions of SEO's who do this for a living never have. I bow down ;)
     
    MattUK, Jan 10, 2007 IP
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