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Discussion in 'Pay Per Click Advertising' started by tomksoft, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. tomksoft

    tomksoft Well-Known Member

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    #2941
    Some news:
    - There is going to be a huge problem starting next year, as Google will be enabling built-in adblocker in Chrome on websites with popups, popunders or technically speaking any ads that are not Google's (or its partners). We will be fighting this on both technical side as well as legal side(as we believe this is a monopolistic practice what Google is doing, breaking US anti-trust law).
    - We have automated incoming bank transfers handling. This means that when our advertisers send deposits via bank transfer, it is credited much faster and without any mistakes.
    - We have automated outgoing bank transfers handling. This means that bank transfer withdrawal requests will be handled more frequently. Once this is well tested, we might even reduce minimal bank transfer withdrawal amount.
    - We are adding more big adnetworks to our bidding system, which should improve rates a bit.
    - Soon we will be releasing a self serve XML feed setup that will allow smaller adnetworks to buy our traffic via XML feed without existing requirements. This should add additional boost to rates.
     
    tomksoft, Jun 22, 2017 IP
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    men 21 Member

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    #2942
    Just like you do with adblock today. I believe that with Google it will not be any different. Antiadblock code

    "

    Sorry my english I'm using a translator"
     
    men 21, Jun 22, 2017 IP
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    #2943
    Go for it tom sue them for billions.

    Currently adblockplus blocked tons of their own ads, their plan is to slowly eliminate the usage of 3rd party adblock software so that they can whitelist all their ads while blacklisting ads from other competitors recklessly. And then monopoly the online advertising market themselves.

    I really wonder any webmaster would use their "pay to view" system, that is another stupid system made by them to squeeze more money from the internet.
    I for sure won't let them squeeze any cent out of my business.

    What ads i want to run on my website it is my freedom and is not up to google to determine it.

    Visitor dont like it, dont surf my website its that simple.

    I will not comply with google and i will not allow them to control my operation.

    I don't do design but i have no problem paying 10$ to have a "use firefox for better surfing experience" banner and stick it on my website.

    Or even more simple an turn off adblock dialog.

    Now imagine if many of the webmaster apply the same strategy i mentioned above, they will lost user in the long run.

    This step they take its a double edge sword. And its a huge move that may harm themselves for real.

    They think they are the gods/police of the internet but they are not.

    I don't know which of the stupid employee in google thinks that we webmaster will actually comply with all rules they liked.

    Almost forgotten that i still have few of my subscription with google services that i will need to cancel it right now.

    Lets see how their adblock software works in 2018
     
    skzisghost, Jun 22, 2017 IP
  4. tomksoft

    tomksoft Well-Known Member

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    #2944
    Actually, I am considering making marketing materials for publishers to use to inform people that what google is doing will cause HUGE troubles for lots of websites that just have to use pops.
    I am talking about all the torrent websites, porn sites etc., that will just have to die as they can't work with Google. We should tell this to visitors so they switch to other browsers.
    We will fight. If I need to, I can throw $1M for lawyers.

    Btw, about subscriptions - I was recently setting business email for a new business I am setting up and guess what? Went with Microsoft. Not perfect, but not like there's much choice anyway... at least not google.
     
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    #2945
    already thought when you're going to address it. will the chrome adblocker block all pop ads? last thing i read was its about the "bad" pops like auto sound etc. (which are really annoying)
     
    cromiu, Jun 23, 2017 IP
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    #2946
    How i understand they will block all popups on Chrome, so all companies who use just popups will be dead soon ... so most advertise will try to focus on banners when the new update will come ( but how i understand they are planning to block banners to ... ) will be some big changes possible in 2018 because most of people these days are using chrome
     
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  7. tomksoft

    tomksoft Well-Known Member

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    #2947
    How it will work is Google will scan websites and if it detects any kind of ad that google does not like, for example popups, popunders, autoplaying video ads with sound(not like youtube is doing exactly that...).
    If anything is detected then, built-in adblock will automatically activate on that website in Chrome and will block ALL ads (no matter if banners, text ads etc.).

    The problem is that when you look what kind of allowed ads there are available, you end up choosing between banner companies offering $0.01 CPM or Google Adsense. As Google Adsense does not allow lots of website and $0.01 CPM is not going to cover server costs, lots of websites will have to close(in general, it is a lot of websites, but in adult industry it is nearly all...). So, indirectly, websites that cannot use Adsense will have to die.

    Now, what we are considering doing about it:
    - Make a campaign to inform people(visitors) about the change and how it will affect them(ie. bye bye favourite streaming, torrent, adult sites) as well as what they can do to help(switch to any other browser). I have some meetings scheduled regarding this already, I want to have a website as well as marketing materials(banners) that we will promote ourselves as well as ask our publishers to promote them(we will host it).
    - Try to do technical magic to make Google not detect our adcode. There is a chance we can do that. I am working on side project right now that despite having different aim, might help with this. We'll see.
    - Legal action. Also had some meetings already, but seems like we have to wait for Google to actually implement it before an action can be taken.
    - Alternative ad type - I came up with some alternative advertisement type which is not considered a bad ad by current Google standards(which might change...). We are still researching this opportunity, but initial results are positive. Unfortunately, our existing adserving technology is not compatible with it and it is something completely different from pops.

    You can say that adblock is not a problem, as we have anti-adblock. That is partially true. The problem with anti-adblock is that while we can bypass it, many advertisers can't, hence they are buying non-adblock traffic only. We will try to work on that side too so it can be improved.

    We are good on technical magic side, we have virtually unlimited budget for legal action and Google actions will basically wipe most torrent and porn sites off the Internet. I think we have a chance to win, even again Google :)
     
    tomksoft, Jun 23, 2017 IP
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    #2948
    One way for google to can't detect is using cURL and let webmasters download the banners on there server ( will be show like a real website content ) i start to learn some ways to pass google just in case :) but with popups no idea how this can still pass google
     
    ZoC, Jun 24, 2017 IP
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    tomksoft Well-Known Member

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    #2949
    That's right, but for pops, we are not exactly sure how will google attempt to detect them. I suspect they will just load website in a VM and randomly click anywhere and see if new window was opened.
    They kind of already doing that for safebrowsing (that is why if malware is loaded inside popup/popunder, the website which opened it is flagged). If that is the case there is a fairly decent chance we can stay under the radar with the new technology I am working on.

    To be specific, I am working on fraud filtering solution for online advertising. Google obviously uses bots(as in - not real humans) to automatically detect malware for SafeBrowsing(and I expect same mechanism will be used to scan for popups). At current stage, the technology I have created is picking up fairly impressive amount of potential bot traffic(at PopAds) which seems to be faked amazingly well(ie. residential IPs from all over the world), but we are still capable to detect it as fraud due to few metrics. I suspect this is Google Safebrowsing, as no other company could have access to that many residential IPs around the world(and no, it is not Hola/Luminati or anything like that) and fake some things to such extent. So in theory, if we plug it in before PopAds adcode and launch it only if the fraud detection system allows, perhaps we can stay under Google's radar :)
     
    tomksoft, Jun 24, 2017 IP
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    TrafficLos Greenhorn

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    #2950
    Anyway,
    Chrome is currently in a hype.
    But it can be changed at any time as it will certainly change :)
    Monopolies fall at the same speed as they grow :)
    P.S.
    Google has been flogged many times by the European laws.
     
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    tomksoft Well-Known Member

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    #2951
    The problem is that the European anti monopoly thing works insanely slow. Maybe they will give Google some fine for the Adblock in 5 years.

    I think if we tell people that free porn sites are going to be closed due to chrome adblock, chrome market share will drop to 10% overnight :D
     
    tomksoft, Jun 24, 2017 IP
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    #2952
    @tomksoft thanks for clarifiying

    moving to a other browser in a huge scale is definitely not going to happen

    google is messing up the internet specially the ad market and the search for years now. they think they can do whatever they want.

    if they use bots will they maybe allow us via robots to block them? or they do it anyway because of "security" reasons

    adsense also changed the policy..which is quite funny instead of blocking whole sites (which they did for years) they block now just ad display for pages which break the adsense tos (dmca for example)

    the only positive thing i can see is that google in most cases is really slow with updating anything..so there might be a chance to build workarounds for the chrome ad block which last a little bit longer.

    but i think if popunder etc. die it will bring up other models maybe even brings the banner back with better cpc and cpm rates.
     
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    #2953
    did anyone tried the google "Ad Experience Report" with a website containing popads.net code? for some reason i cant use the tool with my sites.
    google.com/webmasters/tools/ad-experience

    on the coalition for better ads sites they dont even talk about popunder, tabunder etc, they just talk about pop-ups https://www.betterads.org/desktop-pop-up-ad/
     
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    #2954
    I think the best choice is Try to do technical magic.
     
    gae89, Jun 24, 2017 IP
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    tomksoft Well-Known Member

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    #2955
    I am not sure about this "moving to another browser". If all porn sites tell people to use other browser as on Chrome they can't earn money for servers, people will switch sooner than you think.
    Google uses bots for Safebrowsing that do not respect robots.txt or identify themselves in any way. That makes sense, as otherwise malware could hide itself from it. I am pretty sure they can't hide from me :)

    Technically speaking, I am sure that all of these ad types will be considered "popups", as technically speaking they will be just detecting window.open.

    We will do that. I am just not sure if it works or not. That is why we will attempt to deal with this problem from all sides.
     
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    #2956
    We'll see. We just have to wait. :)
     
    gae89, Jun 24, 2017 IP
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    #2957
    Try to add Webmoney to popads.Thank you.
     
    gtaimage, Jun 25, 2017 IP
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    #2958
    Hello there,
    I just join this network yesterday and I have some question.

    In your knowledge base there is this sentence:
    • The visitor has already seen too many popunders from our network this day
    What is the number of how many is that?

    And for adblock code, there is this one:
    Remove any standard adcode before installing this one! You have to regenerate and reinstall your adcode periodically to avoid being filtered by Adblock list update.

    Usually every when I should do that?

    Thank you
     
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    #2960
    At this moment unexpected, but we'll see.

    1. We server highest paid ads first. So with each ad the visitor gets, the rate goes down. At some point the rate might go below minimum and no further ads will be shown.
    There is no fixed number, it depends on how many advertisers are available and how much they are bidding.
    Regarding Anti-Adblock code, I'd advise at least daily if done manually, but consider using the PHP library(it will do updates hourly).

    I will be making such code available to use by anyone(so it will show information why a website is not accessibe by chrome and what to do about it). I have a meeting with graphics designer regrding website for that :)
    I am glad to see that EU is doing something, but the problem is it took them 7 years of investigation to make a judgment...
     
    tomksoft, Jun 27, 2017 IP