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President Trump Will Be President. It Has Been Foreseen..

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by WebmasterWorkforce, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. jrbiz

    jrbiz Acclaimed Member

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    #21
    Exactly. It is not unreasonable for the people who have to actually live with the results of such policy decisions to take heed when an enemy who openly wishes to destroy us clearly states that it plans to have its crazed thugs infiltrate the ranks of refugees to bring terrorism around the world. You actually have to wonder about the motives of people who are claiming that we should open the doors wide to these refugees despite the very real threat.
     
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    rsrikanth05 Well-Known Member

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    #22
    You don't need to twist and misinterpret my words.
    I never said anything about a free pass.
    He mocked a disabled person. That is wrong. Period. Anyone who does so is not worthy of being president of any country.

    As for Muslim refugees, perhaps the US should start with a database of its own citizens who are busy shooting people dead in schools and churches.
     
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    #23
    You can't be serious. Or are you? There's so much wrong with that statement and your thinking.

    Our whole fucking world is ablaze, innocent people are being slaughtered by a group of sociopaths and you're finding fault with Trump's remarks (that are misconstrued and totally twisted by the mainstream media by the way. Trump didn't even know or notice who the reporter was, he didn't know he had a disability. Trump simply mocked the stupidity of that reporter's question and his argument).

    So, please, do not act all self-righteous here. Nobody needs that. I am an immigrant who made America my home. I am tired of the leaders who can't see a bigger picture. I don't give a fuck what Europe, Arabic countries, Asia and so forth are like and how they are being run by their governments. I don't even care about our neighbor Canada. All I care is how strong the US is and whether or not it's secure and prosperous. Because that's what I want for my children: a prosperous and secure America. And that's what Trump wants.

    And people like you? I can tell you don't give a damn about a strong and secure America and thus your argument is absolutely invalid, no matter what you say.
     
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    #24
    I actually do care about USA. One that doesn't invade my country.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Your concern is that the USA might invade your country? I guess this post, and your previous ones, establish several facts relevant to your opinions here:

    1) You are not a US citizen (Normally I would stop here because this point alone invalidates your opinion on the matter)
    2) You have no idea what the positions of the candidates are (no surprise considering you aren't a citizen).
    3) You have strongly held beliefs about American politics and America which are not strongly based on fact.

    The facts are, the likely Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, was instrumental in selling the Iraq War to Democrats in Congress. In 1998, she was selling the idea of Iraqi WMD, before George w. Bush ever made the same pitch to congress.

    As Secretary of State, she was the brain trust that coached Obama's Libya policy, which turned a dictatorship into a failed state. Conversely, the likely GOP candidate, Trump, is fairly non-interventionist, and by far the least interventionist of any of the GOP candidates outside of Rand Paul.

    I'm curious to know where you pick up your partisan propaganda. My guess is, most of your neighbors spend their time trying to get a Visa to work in the states, not worrying about the US invading their country, unless you live in the border regions of Pakistan. Wait a minute....
     
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    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #26
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    I have fond memories of walking through Boston with workmates and being approached by someone promoting a candidate but not one of us was eligible to vote.

    It is important to remember that your vote impacts many people who live in the US who can't vote starting with children right through to "new Americans".
    More than any other country in the world your vote impacts on people who live outside the US - from Syria and war-torn nations through to relatively peaceful countries like NZ and Australia (where the US leads we follow).

    Changes in leadership in China, Russia and the UK may be important but the impact is believed to be less important. That belief may be misguided but it explains the interest that the rest of the world has in the process and the outcome.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #27
    Nevertheless, I'm sure you would welcome Americans inserting their opinions into your electoral politics just about as much as the world seems to feel the right to do so in ours. I find most Americans are completely ignorant of the issues at hand, so how are foreigners who get their opinions on American politics from RT, BBC, or CNNi going to possibly have an informed opinion on what issues are moving American voters?

    I get that they too have their own selfish motives. Perhaps when they start paying US taxes, I'll reconsider my position on the issue.

    The issue moving American voters this cycle is immigration and "fair" trade, and much has been made of Donald Trump's position on these issues. I got a chuckle from Mark Steyn who recently wrote a small piece on Australia's immigration policies:
    I've spent the last fortnight in a country where on illegal immigration everyone electorally viable is a hard-ass. That's to say, there's a bipartisan consensus that anyone attempting to enter the country without authorization should be warehoused in a detention camp – not in Australia but offshore, either on Nauru, a pile of guano that fancies itself a nation-state, or on Manos Island, which belongs to Papua New Guinea. It's the equivalent of Trump imprisoning Mexicans in a camp in the Dominican Republic. After years in detention, the migrants are generally either returned whence they came or resettled in a third country. Whatever squeamishness the Aussie Labor Party might feel about this is subject to the compelling political arithmetic that the voters are overwhelmingly at ease with it.

    http://www.steynonline.com/7479/nitwits-of-the-round-table

    I knew there was a reason I loved Australia so much, but in fairness, I've never been to a country that didn't have similar immigration policies, and I've been to many a country. I have no doubt NZ would deport me if I somehow managed to sneak onto the island or overstayed my visa.

    As far as Syria and Libya goes, I find it shocking how subdued the world press is about the human catastrophe that is Libya. It was a benign dictatorship before our misguided invasion, lead from behind by Barack Obama. Today it is largely a failed state, much like Somalia, and a haven for ISIS. Had Bush left Iraq the way Obama has left Libya and Iraq, his approval rating would have been in the teens, yet Obama is still very popular abroad. Nothing like having a cheer leading press to tell the tale the way you want it told.

    Protection of the integrity of our elections is one of the many reasons we have national borders,
     
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    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #28
    NZ has a paternal role with a few small nations and their issues are considered at election time. I've no doubt that if our politics impacted on other nations we'd be hearing from them too. We send peacekeeping troops to many nations and we hear all the arguments about too much / too little involvement.
    Aussie's grown some balls and caught many people by surprise. Kiwis who have grown up in Australia, turned into little shits are getting sent to Christmas Island where they can whinge to family and the media about how hard done by they are. One the one hand Australia raised them so it's responsible for the fact that they turned out badly, but if the crims couldn't be arsed getting citizenship then why shouldn't Australia kick them out? Just a shame they ultimately end up here.

    We, on the other hand, are totally pathetic and some really nasty people have been allowed to stay because if they go home to China etc after they've done their time things won't go so well for them. I figure they should have thought of that before they burgled/assaulted/raped/murdered/etc. We're getting a bit tougher with the Malaysian diplomat (ie clerk) who saw a woman in a street market, followed her home, pooed on her deck, waited until she was asleep and then entered the house and tried to get it on. Funnily enough, the victim was not impressed! He high tailed it back to Malaysia but was brought back here, jailed and is currently appealing his conviction. (If you feel like a giggle watch one of our news readers talking about the guy's emergency defecation situation)
     
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    #29
    Up until now i have been wondering why people are voting for him.. with the statements he makes, reforms he talks about.. it was highly unlikely.. but i was pretty much neglecting his most important factor.. money.. he has so much of it..
     
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    Bingo! It is truly "deja vu all over again" as I watch the horrified reaction of low information voters here in the U.S. and others around the world who are similarly misinformed by the lamestream press and their lackey, media co-conspirators around the world. Worse things were said about Reagan when he was running: we would be in nuclear war with the USSR within days, he would set back civil rights within weeks, etc., etc. Fortunately, the electorate then saw through the lies and elected him; hundreds of millions of people freed from the yoke of Communism in Eastern Europe are grateful for that, of course.

    We are right now faced with a Democratic presidential candidate that has enriched herself with money from terrorist-sponsoring countries around the world, is under criminal investigation by the FBI, has historically enabled a serial sexual abuser, and worse. Yet, the concern is over a successful businessman who, for the first time in over 100 years, would be a president not indebted to a small cabal of rich donors. Because he wants to enforce immigration laws much like every other country in the world does, he is the villain not the Clinton crime machine. It would be funny if it were not such a sad indication of how effective the liars can be with an uninformed audience.

    It is some times disheartening, in fact, to see how easy it is for the lamestream press to push a false story that gets taken up by so many like the bleating sheep in Orwell's "1984." They don't really know the story but can take solace in their feelings of superiority or whatever emotion drives such noncritical thinking.
     
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    #31
    Funny you should use Australia as an example, a country that's, you know, full of immigrants.

    The fact is Australia is an island, a long way from anywhere. When you attempt to come here in a rickety little boat there's a good chance you will die.

    The fact is that over a thousand people had drowned in the previous 6 years of Labor being in power. On TV we got to watch helpless people being thrashed against rocks with nobody able to help, they were there one minute and gone the next, then we learned that most had drowned. It was very fucking sad.

    It had never been about stopping the immigrants, it was about stopping the drownings.

    Towards the end of their term in office the Labor Party introduced offshore detention so anybody found attempting to come here by boat would be captured and sent to a little island where they were processed and if deemed a genuine refugee would be flown to Australia.

    Even Tony Abbott, famous for his three word slogans, started a 'stop the boats' slogan, not a stop the immigrants slogan.

    The Liberal Party then gained power and, heartless bastards as they are, decided to stop processing these people altogether. They left them stuck in there leaving many with their only choice being to go back home, back to their warzones, back to the danger they ran from or stay there on the island stuck in detention.

    Once we let them get away with that the Liberals took it a step further, anyone whose spent 3 years or more in prison, who is not a citizen are now deported post-haste. People who have spent their whole lives here, are now being deported for the most spurious reasons.

    The Liberals here are the same as Republicans there, no brain between the lot of them and heartless and calous doesn't describe them well enough. Give them an inch and they take a whole mile.

    Hopefully we'll be rid of them in July and Australia might earn back the respect we've lost by being stupid enough to elect Tony Abbott and allowing him to strut the world stage. The biggest mistake we all made by far.
     
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    #32
    Thought you might enjoy this. A church in a wealthy suburb of another country taking a shot at Trump.

    trump-church-sign.jpg
     
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    #33
    Your post seems to argue with itself. If Tony was about stopping the boats for humanitarian reasons, why deport immigrants? The truth is, it has ALWAYS been about controlling the makeup of your population, thus the "baby bonus" over accepting a few wealthy, carefully screened immigrants.

    Even the refugees you think your country should be accepting, which aren't, go through a legal process. Here in America, people just show up, no documentation, no income, and are often released into the interior of the country. It makes for a wonderful tale, told by Democrats, about how racial discrimination must be real because so many latinos are poor. No mention of the fact many bypassed all of our immigration laws, requiring at least 100k in liquid assets (a rule quite common for most countries).

    With that said, businesses LOVE it. Poor people will work for peanuts. They often pack 17 people into a 3 bedroom apartment to save money on rent, and send 90% of their income home to their families. Does a bang up job of decimating middle class wages in America.



    Yes. The Republicans are the equivalent of the liberal party in most countries that have a "liberal" party. Here in America, socialists and Demcoratic Socialists have coopted the word "liberal" as their own, but there is not much which is liberal about their beliefs. They are ignorant collectivists, the lot of them.

    Australia has always had my respect. Honestly, I'd immigrate there if it weren't nearly impossible to do so. LOL.
     
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    #34
    OMG have you seen the orange is the new black meme?

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    #35
    @sarahk Most Americans (including myself) don't give a flying crap what the rest of the world thinks of us. I remember people (mostly liberals) used to say how Bush was an embarrassment in the eyes of the world. He never was to me. If Trump is elected, I'll be proud that we have a strong leader in the White House. If the rest of the world (including our liberal democrats) is embarrassed, well, good. It means we, as a country, are doing something right. When it comes to this country I am as patriotic as Homer waving the American flag at a Canadian airport:

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    #37
    Trump would be the worst thing that could ever happen.

    Him and Bernie Sanders are both morons.

    I am still sore that Ron Paul was never elected...
     
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    #38
    On what premise do you even remotely believe something like that? It's like Beck with his looney tunes: "Trump and his followers are brownshirts!" Really? So, stupid.

    The worst thing has already happened to our country, we have some good times ahead of us (if he wins, I mean).
     
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    i agree with you.. trump getting elected is the worst thing.. i am for hillary and sanders.. just because they are the best of the worst
     
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    #40
    It's not stupid, if you really think about it.

    Trump is a business man. He will always be a business man.

    While he's the president, why wouldn't he lobby for bills to be passed with his future business interests in mind?

    That way, when he stops playing president and goes back to being a business man - he will be sitting in tall cotton.

    A billionaire isn't going to care about the interests of a thousandaire - the rich will just get richer.

    This is very funny to me, being that your name is Vitali.

    That means that immigration is running thick in your family tree, good thing you got in before that wall was built, right?

    How exactly is he a strong leader? Because he has a big mouth? Well hell, I must be the King of Digital Point then, huh?

    Trump is a liar and a hypocrite.

    He wants to stop foreign trade yet who do you think makes TRUMP clothing? Even Forbes did an article about how much of a hypocrite he is.

    He wants to build a wall? Do you have ANY idea how expensive that will be?

    We don't need to work on becoming more of a police state, what we NEED to do is start trimming the fat.

    Goodbye IRS, Goodbye TSA, Goodbye Homeland Security (They don't do anything, anyway. Look at the statistics)

    We need to establish a Flat Tax, legalize marijuana on the federal level and let the states decide what's best for their citizens.

    I owed $28,000 in taxes for 2015, I only estimated $20,000 - so guess what? I just wrote a check to the IRS for $8,000.

    I don't mind paying taxes - but my money is just going to be lit on fire, I can't stand that.

    Who is my vote going for? Ted Cruz.
     
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