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What is the best redirect if you can't use 301 or 302?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by NewComputer, May 30, 2005.

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    I don't have the ability on one of my server's (not mine, but the host of the sites) and I have recently updated all the pages (basically changing all the page names and extensions). I was considering using the following in the old pages as a redirect:

    <!-- Begin
    redirTime = "1";
    redirURL = "http://www.my url.com";
    function redirTimer() { self.setTimeout("self.location.href = redirURL;",redirTime); }
    // End -->


    and then putting in the body onLoad="redirTimer()"

    Would this be SEO friendly? Would the engines figure it out?
     
    NewComputer, May 30, 2005 IP
  2. YoungSmeagol

    YoungSmeagol Well-Known Member

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    Google and yahoo deindex redirects. I have had a redirect in MSN though. For some reason they added my redirect when they haven't even crawled the majority of my site.

    If the Search Engines accepted redirects then everyones customized 404 page would be in the search engines.
     
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  3. NewComputer

    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    What I am saying though is, will they follow it to the new site and index it as the same using that method? I don't really have any other alternatives... The site I am redoing is written terribly...
     
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    Hmmm..why not alternatives? No php? no cgi? How about the above with a meta tag redirect at least?
     
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  5. NewComputer

    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    jbw,

    As I have never had this problem before, I am looking for any that I can use. I have always been able to use the proper redirects, until this site. Can you give me an example of the ones that you posted above?

    Basically, I could not use CGI. PHP I know is supported and enabled, but I am not sure how I would code that. Meta Tag redirects, I have no idea what those are.

    How I was going to do it now was paste the above code into all the old pages with the redirect going to the home page.

    Any better ideas would be greatly appreciated. The new server that I am moving the site to will support everything I am trying to do in the future.
     
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  6. jbw

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    for the php, you would use

    header("Location: http://www.my url.com");
     
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  7. Cheater

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    Do a META Refresh. :)
     
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  8. jbw

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    That is the other option, but the problem with that is they are not usually parsed by the search engines are they?
     
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  9. Cheater

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    Actually most engines get them including Google and Yahoo.

    They are much better than using javascript.
     
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    How about putting your site a tiny flash swf redirect using action script ?


    Cheers! :D
     
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  11. jbw

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    Well that I agree with, if you saw my first post, I said use php or Meta refresh.

    The javascript would just work for browsers.
     
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    Ian Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I have a page that has a metarefresh that brings users to the correct page and Google indexed it and ranked it just fine.

    Ian
     
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  13. NewComputer

    NewComputer Well-Known Member

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    How do I create a meta refresh page? I will search it out, but if someone wants to answer quickly, that would be helpful...
     
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    Since you asked for an example:

    I put the php in an earlier post, now here is a meta refresh example

    
<html>
<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="refresh" content="2;URL=http://www.example.com/newpage.html">
<title>Page has moved</tile>
</head>
<body>
whatever you want to write
</body>
</html>
    Code (markup):
    You are better off using the php solution if you can though. This is then the second best, far better then the js version to use.
     
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  15. YoungSmeagol

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    My mistake. Yahoo indexed one of my redirects so I guess I was wrong. Sorry. :( I think I will retire from posting.

    <meta http-equiv="REFRESH" content="0;url=http://">
     
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    Using php, you can directly write the headers. So you can specify either a 302 or a 301.
    There was a thread on this recently, but I can't find it at the moment.
     
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    If you can find it, that would be very helpful...
     
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    Meta refresh noooooooo !

    Javascript noooooo !

    301 is the only way to go about this.

    If you cannot use the 4 methods of 301 explained here:
    http://www.seofaq.net/#51

    Then my advise is just one huge link on it that tell the visitors to go to the new site. That will flow PR as well but the best is 301.

    Meta and javascript is very risky and get you into filters.
     
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    If you use Cpanel for your hosting ( which is very popular) you will create a 301 by > Cpanel > Redirects >DropDown Box > Permanent

    With on page meta refresh =0 Yahoo seems ok with these , Google will immeadiatley drop your serp for a few days (it will return still showing as original page address), you can use =2 or more but it is clumsy and may lead to other problems
     
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