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which best html website design software?

Discussion in 'HTML & Website Design' started by rumonzia, Aug 23, 2014.

  1. WooServers

    WooServers Peon

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    #21
    I prefer Dreamweaver.
     
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  2. xboxsold

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    #22
    I have seen them all and i can tell you the best is pinegrow for the price its a learning tool and a design tool..
     
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  3. kk5st

    kk5st Prominent Member

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    A few have mentioned a high level editor, Sublime. I don't use Sublime nor have I even tried it, but I did run across a pair of articles that uses Sublime in comparison with Emacs and shows by example why Emacs is the better editor.

    I prefer Emacs myself and don't consider it to be the hard-to-learn monster that many make it out to be. Maybe those boot-quakers take one look at the 600+ page pdf version of the manual and figure there's no way to learn all that. Folks, those aren't things you have to learn. The basic editing is fairly simple; you do need to learn that, but the rest are capabilities. And, Emacs is very capable. Learn them as you need them. Otherwise, don't.

    Others talk about the size of all the files that make up Emacs. Emacs is actually a pretty lean editor. It only loads what you need, when you need it, so it loads fast and it runs fast.

    The comparison I mentioned above deals specifically with javascript coding. Since any competent web developer will be writing and debugging js quite often, I think the article is apt. Do keep in mind that this is a specific example, but with Emacs's native capabilities and extensibility, it can be broadly expanded.
    Why Emacs is better editor - a case study for javascript developer
    Why Emacs is a better editor, part two


    cheers,

    gary
     
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  5. kk5st

    kk5st Prominent Member

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    #25
    So you say, but why do you recommend them? Without stating their benefits or even their shortcomings, for that matter, your 'vote' lacks merit.

    That goes for everyone responding. If you think your editor is the cat's pajamas, tell us why, or don't you know its capabilities and their benefits?

    cheers,

    gary
     
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  6. King-Servers

    King-Servers Greenhorn

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    #26
    I will suggest you to use Dreamweaver because our development team uses it and I haven't heard negative reviews.
     
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    #27
    I use phpDesigner8, yes it's a php development tool but it's also great for editing html.
    Notepad++ can be a great editor too. :)
     
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  8. ethansamuel17

    ethansamuel17 Greenhorn

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    #28
    You can use any from Notepad++ and Adobe Dreamweaver. Both are good as a editor.
     
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  9. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    #29
    To me it's as needlessly and pointlessly cryptic and annoying as WordPerfect or Wordstar were under DOS and/or CP/M thirty years ago... much like the rest of most of the intentionally obtuse garbage like vi and sh that are the hallmarks of the *nix world.

    ... but then in a TEXT EDITOR I want a simple flat text editor, AND THAT'S IT. No stupid malfing tabs, no stupid malfing illegible colour highlighting bull, no dicking around on the command line for things we haven't needed to dick around on the command line for in three decades, no multiple windows in the one window reducing the area available to actually *SHOCK* look at and edit code, no pointless macro language that results in spending more time writing macro's than actually writing production code... much less the annoyingly convoluted keyboard shortcuts that remind me of a mix of wordstar meets 123; and that's NOT a good thing either. ^X just replacing ^K, and as I've said for about 20 years, take your ^K and stick it up your ^KX -- don't even get me STARTED about ^P, ^N, etc, etc... which you can stick the same place as wordstar's ESDX -- idiocy that should have gone the way of the dodo the moment "LISP Machines" went the way of the dodo and the 101 AT layout became industry standard.

    Of course you can change them to something sensible -- that's one of emac's big "features", but having 1970's back-room server geek obsolescence as the default... well, it's just more of the whole *nix mentality of intentionally trying to make computing seem difficult. I shouldn't have to dig into config files just to make a flat text editor USABLE by modern standards.

    ... and in the case of those articles, that type of crap that to be frank has no damned business in an editor in the first place. Joe forbid you actually, oh I don't know... test in the actual production environment instead of some buggy, unreliable and painful to use "debugger" crap built into the editor.

    Much like vi/vim/whatever I find emacs to be pointless crap; though admittedly my political and social prejudice against it's dirty unwashed "professional lecturer" creator and the socialist "foundation" he created may also be colouring my view.

    It's like a trip in the wayback machine to back-room server geek bull from the '80's that should have been left in the '80's. You know, stuff used by the jackasses like Stallman who were left behind by the REAL computer revolution of the '80's and early '90's, and if not for one very ambitious Finn, would have zero relevance today. If I wanted to dick around with garbage like that, I'd take the Trash-80 Model 16 out of my garage "museum" and boot up Microsoft Xenix!

    Though I equally dislike Sublime just because it BEHAVES like a Java Crapplet, even though it allegedly is not. That it's written python? It shows! No, that's not a good thing. It's unaware of host OS metrics and it doesn't let you turn off 90%+ of the annoying crap... and all in all it just seems incomplete; though certainly nowhere near as bad as some other steaming piles of halfwit bull like Brackets.

    Again why I like Flo's Notepad 2, since it's just Scintilla without being a total piece of scite... A close second for me would be Crimson Editor (though the latest releases are GARBAGE), followed by Win32pad (which sadly mucks up UTF-8 too much/too often).

    All this extra crap people waste time on? I just don't get it!
     
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  10. kk5st

    kk5st Prominent Member

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    #30
    What load of crap you lay down, ds, starting with 'test in the actual production environment instead of some buggy, unreliable and painful to use "debugger" crap built into the editor.' So, you've run Emacs's javascript interpreter enough to be proficient and found it to be buggy, unreliable and a PITA? Then your experience is anomalous to a large body of programmers. But I am curious as to how you run a test suite against a javascript function from within the browser.

    You don't like keyboard shortcuts? You never save your work with a ^s, or cut, copy and paste using shortcuts? And, what the hell's wrong with ^k to erase to the end of the line. I find it quite easy and convenient to use. I own up to preferring ↑ and ↓ to ^p and ^n, but either are simpler and faster than moving the point a few lines with a mouse.

    Funny, even my laptop's screen is more than large enough to keep up to four buffers open in their own windows within Emacs without being cramped; the desktop's monitor allows for more. I do enjoy having reference notes, outlines and even another view of the buffer I'm working on available at a glance.

    That said, if you want to slow yourself down by using a mouse instead of the keyboard, go for it. Emacs allows you to do that too.

    "… macro language that results in spending more time writing macro's than actually writing production code... [sic]"

    You've got me there; I have no idea what you're going on about. Most macros are simply recordings of a set of keystrokes; useful when you need to do something repetitively and usually are ad hoc. If you're spending more time on that than coding, maybe it's because the macro saved so much coding time. Or maybe you need to rethink what you're doing or trying to do. Then there are the macros that work in the background and respond to a hook. In Emacs, these are written in Lisp, which I find generally easy to modify to my needs. I'm not likely to write one from scratch, but the Emacs dialect of Lisp is clear and understandable.

    Further, I don't get what your animosity against the command line is about. I keep an xterm open on my desktop at all times. It is the second app I open, right after Emacs. There are all too many things the shell (BASH in my case) does that simply can't be done, or require a butt load of work to do in a graphic app. For a trivial example, to create a thumbnail image from the original:
    $ cd [working directory]; \
    convert foo.jpg -thumbnail 150x150 t-foo.jpg
    Code (markup):
    Using the -thumbnail option means the meta data (except for color) will be stripped and the image will be reduced in two steps; all to create light weight files. You could use -resize, but that would leave the meta overhead with the tnail files being larger than necessary.

    Naturally, by working in the shell, you can use all its powers. Again, trivially, loop through all the images, creating thumbnails with names determined by regexps. And guess what? In Emacs you can do all this from the editor if you want, and I know a lot of serious programmers who do.

    So climb down off your high horse, ds. Really, you're trying to Alpha male me on my choices? I've been at this a lot longer than you, and I'll grant you great expertise in some areas. This isn't one of those areas. If Emacs is not what you want in an editor, don't use it. That doesn't mean it's any less than the powerful tool that it is. It only means it's not for you.

    g
     
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  11. deathshadow

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    #31
    In one sentence you summed up my past three and a half decades of programming. It's part of what makes me wonder what the hell is in the kool-aid that everyone else seems to be yumming up. Particularly when it comes to anything related to the second rate Jim Jones who goes by the name of Stallman.
     
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    #32
    Where are you planning to go with this red herring you've dragged across the road? Your response has nothing to do with this thread nor with anything I've said here. It seems to be an ad hominem rant against a man no one but yourself has mentioned at all.

    g
     
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    #33
    You know who WROTE emacs, RIGHT?

    *SIGH*, whatever...
     
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    #34
    Yes, I do. That has zero bearing on this topic.
     
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    My choice is Dreamweaver.
     
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    Well you can make a site absolutely for free. It's called html and css. Try it sometime. If your serous about making money you would spend the money for frontpage or dreamweaver if you don't know much about hmtl/css java, flash. As for a cheap program I'm not entirely sure you can find one.
     
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  17. srikanth reddy venna

    srikanth reddy venna Greenhorn

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    Sublime text is good one in my view..
     
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  18. Ashok raj Thangaraj

    Ashok raj Thangaraj Peon

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    I think wordpress is quick and easy . But still the plugin's are online ,so something happens nobody knows how to debug. But if it is customized code like visual studio it is somewhat better for debugging. Hope it helps
     
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    Dreamweaver
     
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    joice33 Banned

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    According to my mind and believe Microsoft WebMatrix and Google-webdesigner are best!
     
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