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Why is tolerance such an impossible concept?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by sarahk, May 27, 2014.

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    I'm down in NZ and we're pretty liberal in letting people believe/worship as they choose so when we see news items like these we are completely dumbfounded.
    Why is forgiveness/tolerance so hard?
    And why is unity/working together impossible for the different flavours is Islam?


     
    sarahk, May 27, 2014 IP
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    DomainMagnate Illustrious Member

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    duh old traditions die hard. But we'll get there some day!
     
    DomainMagnate, May 28, 2014 IP
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    Because forgiveness/tolerance is the key of real happiness.
     
    Ryan Viola, May 28, 2014 IP
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    Islams's really hard on other religions and beliefs, it might be because of their superhard MONOtheist postion, or the result of tradition of mixing religion with state-power. Today those Muslims suffer from their intolerance themselves -- the Western world gets more and more tolerant, and we are pretty suspicious about the guys who are different. Telling someone that "we know the only truth, all the rest are liars" isn't modern in any way. The sooner the Islamic world understands that and studies to respect others the better it's gonna be for them
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    It is more about politics than religion. In good old times, the western governments were supporting the puppet governments by giving them money and guns and then people would kill their fellow countrymen for money. Some genius comes up with the idea that maybe it is better to use religion as motivation for these people to kill their countrymen instead of money. The genie was out of the bottle and we have the present mess.
     
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    This is a tragic story and it is truly sad that this sort of thing still happens in this day and age. But honestly, there can never be real tolerance because the very idea of "tolerance" implies IN-tolerance against anything that is not tolerant. There are many things that warrant intolerance: violence against others is a perfect example. People should not be tolerant toward some idiot who has a woman stoned to death for her beliefs. Likewise, individuals who believe those who don't believe as they do are wrong has the right to their spiritual intolerance, so long as they don't act out against those who do not agree with them.

    As long as there are humans on this earth, there will be intolerance; some good and some bad. It is up to us to decide which is which.
     
    Jameyson MacDonald, May 29, 2014 IP
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    Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue.
     
    xtmx, May 29, 2014 IP
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    Laws are outdated and they protect the murderers more than the victims. There is a law of bloodmoney which means if you kill somebody and latter pay the family of the victim the govt will not punish you and you can live as a free man.
    There have been a lot of cases in pakistan that somebody gets killed and then there is a lot of hue and cry in the media for a few days and after a few months we hear that the family of the victim settled the case. I believe such laws should be abolished.
    Its in the news today about the husband of the pregnant woman that was stoned to death in Lahore Pakistan, it says that the guy named Iqbal had previously murdered his former wife to marry Farzana and paid blood money to avoid punishment.
    Those who kill their sisters/mothers/daughters/wives for "honour" enjoy social acceptance specially in remote rural areas. As you can see in the case of Farzana, her family members brought their relatives, cousins and probably neighbours too with them for this "noble cause".
    Capital punishment is the only solution for such people. Hang all those who commit such crimes and the remaining will learn a lesson. There are about 8000 convicts in Pakistani jails who were sentenced to death by pakistani courts but Govt is not carrying out the sentence because european countries are against capital punishment and they say they will put sanctions on Pakistan if authorities carry out capital punishment.
     
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    Why is forgiveness/tolerance so hard?

    Unless you live it you cannot accept the other.

    I see all of this as a lack of respect. Our people in politics do not respect the regular people like us so they do what they will so long as they have the majority of like minded thinkers behind them. Who themselves do not respect.

    Just look at every instance of conflict in the news. Say something bad against the President and people call you a racist. Say something supportive about traditional marriage and you labeled homophobic.

    Just today I read an article about a woman who was being beat up by another woman in from of her 2 year old son who was trying to get the woman to stop hitting her mother.

    Clearly the woman doing the altercation is too immature to handle social issue. She even threatened the toddler who acting instictively to help his mother. And then you have the bystanders with their smartphones recording the fight rather than calling for help or even helping the little toddler.

    There are lessons on both sides.

    Tolerance - yes
    Forgiveness - yes

    Respect - YES! that is what we need.
     
    bshearer, Jun 26, 2014 IP