Occupy Wall St - We The 99% lead by Canadian Transvestite

Without an official leader, it has been difficult to figure out what Occupy Wall St. wants because they have no official spokesperson. So far, the most official thing they have is their website at www.OccupyWallSt.org, but the owners and operators of that website do not speak as individuals but rather via forum postings with their forum id occupywallst.

Who are they? Since the canadian group AdBusters started the whole thing, I would have assumed it was adbusters. Well, finally, someone has spoken for the forum with something identifiable.

Here is the main forum link: http://occupywallst.org/forum

At the top of the forum, you'll see the official forum policies posted in a link as (Read Rules Before Posting) by someone identified as agnosticnixie from Laval Quebec, Canada.

Outside of the usual no bigotry, personal threats, off topic posts, spamming, trolling or posting of personal information rules that come with any forum, we have rules that tell us a lot.

1. The movement is based out of Quebec, Canada (Interesting base for an "American" protest.
2. The movement is against promoting any candidate, especially if that candidate is ron paul. Sounds like they want change outside of the normal electoral process, or the existing politicians(Obama) to make the changes.
3. They very desperately do not want to be thought of as anti-Jew, anti-Zionist, fascist, or fringe in any way. This is based on the banable offenses of posting material from Alex Jones, Lyndon LaRouche, David Duke, etc. They also will not let you self identify as coming from an arab state in your profile, but Israel is ok.
4. Any disparaging of communism or socialism via what they call "Red Scare" speech is strictly prohibited
5. The moderators reserve the right to ban or remove the posts of anyone spreading lies, especially if those "Lies" pertain to what the organizers are doing with their donations as backed by hard evidence by their 501c money handlers. They can also ban or remove any other post they deem to be a "lie".

Its almosst like something out of animal farm.


So I did some digging on agnosticnixie from Laval, Quebec, our only known forum mod. I found agnosticnixie as a youtube user based out of quebec canada, doing videos of the occupywallst protests.

http://www.youtube.com/user/agnosticnixie

Profiled as a 26 year old, nixie comments on this thread in response to a question asked by another id (GoldRainGirl) as if it were the same person.

So I look up goldraingirl and what do you know,

http://www.youtube.com/user/GoldRainGirl

Goldraingirl is Laurentia Danae (Last name missing), who happens to share the same photo, age, location, and name Danae (last name Martin) with agnosticnixie of flikr.

http://www.flickr.com/people/archaeogrrl/

Digging through Goldraingirl's youtube channel, you'll find a few interesting things. First, it has this video of a of the reading of Karl Marx marked as a favorite(it actually is pretty funny, but also tells a story). Second, it(Danae) is a transgender/transvestite. Given the number of Quebecois cross dressers that have appeared on this forum, there must be something in the water over there.

So, in summary, we have thousands of kids marching in the streets in various cities around the US, protesting "Wealth inequality" behind the leadership of a Quebecois insurgency against capitalism, lead by a 26 year old transvestite, and supported by American hating islamists living in the US and around the world.

Does anyone find this as funny as I do?

 

Gotta love the Internet.

 

You know I'm starting to think that despite torture and nuclear thread the Cold War era was far more comfier then today's era .

 

You make a good PI. Thanks for the info.

 

Tunisian Internet users flooded the Facebook page of American President Barack Obama Sunday night with a uniquely Tunisian form of satire called “tanbir.” Their comments were sparked by recent news of Occupy Wall Street protesters injured in clashes with police in the United States, and they cast Obama in the role of Arab dictators who have recently been deposed or shaken by popular protests.

“Tunisian people denounce violations against the American people by the security forces, which affect the freedom of expression,” writes Tunisian Facebook user Fawzi Benarab.

Protests ousted former Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali on January 14th of this year, and popular uprisings followed across the Arab World. Tunisian citizens elected a Constituent Assembly to write a new constitution and appoint a new government on October 23rd.

One Facebook post declares, “[Tunisian Chief of Staff] Rachid Ammar declares a no-fly zone over America to protect peaceful protesters from harm.” In March, the United Nations Security Council voted to establish a no-fly zone over Libya with the same justification. The North American Treaty Organization (NATO) enforced the operation, with American and international military power.

Tunisian tanbir involves the amplification and exaggeration of reality for humorous effect. It is not meant to be believed, but as satire it can be potent political commentary.

“Obama on the plane to Saudi Arabia,” reads another post. Ben Ali has lived in Saudi Arabia since January.

The most popular of the posts on Obama’s page focus on the reversal of roles. Within the past ten days, American protesters have been injured in clashes with American police, and Tunisians have held the first free and fair elections in their nation’s history. Young Tunisians, flush with their democratic success, are heading to Obama’s Facebook wall to re-write their own revolutionary stories using a cast of characters from the United States. The humor is a giddy declaration that Tunisians have arrived as equals among the democratic nations of the world.

“Eminem arrested for his song, ‘Mr. President,’” says one comment. Tunisian rapper El Général was arrested by the Ben Ali regime in December 2010 for the political content of his music, and his most famous song is still “Mr. President.”

Through tanbir, Tunisia’s young Internet users exaggerate their nation’s success, casting Tunisia as the democratic example helping a troubled foreign country. One comment imagines that the US government has fallen to protesters and declares, “Tunisia is the first country to recognize the American Transitional Council.” The international community’s recognition of the Libyan National Transitional Council as the legitimate national authority in Libya was an important moment in the slow fall of former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

As in most Internet humor, the references can play on very specific moments and quotations. “I am not a sun to- to- to- to sunny all over America,” Obama says in one satirical post. The quotation is taken from a point in Ben Ali’s final speech to Tunisia, the day before he fled the country, in which he appeared nervous and stuttered while trying to explain that he could not fix everyone’s problems at once.

“Samir Tarhouni at Chicago’s Airport to arrest Obama’s family,” writes another commenter. Over thirty members of the extended Ben Ali family were arrested in Tunis-Carthage airport the same night that Ben Ali fled Tunisia, and their legal case is ongoing. Samir Tarhouni is the Tunisian military officer who says he decided, on his own initiative, to go to the airport and arrest the fleeing members of the former regime.

In Arabic, French, and English, the posts lampoon familiar icons of American power and influence, including former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, Wall Street, CNN, President Obama himself, and even cultural touchstones like hamburgers and hot dogs. “Snipers in Sidi Wall Street,” writes one poster, merging Wall Street with the birthplace of Tunisia’s revolution, Sidi Bouzid.

With over 130,000 comments since Sunday and new posts every minute, the sudden outpouring of satire demonstrates a new feeling of empowerment among young Tunisians. With a successful election behind them, suddenly, no power in the world feels beyond reach. Whether the comments are pro- or anti-Obama is largely beside the point next to a dramatic statement of Tunisian pride. Many posts refrain from satire altogether and simply declare, “Viva Tunisie!”

Tunisians have also targeted the page of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Mixed in with the tanbir and pride are familiar cricisms of American foreign policy. “Free Iraq, Americans get the hell out,” reads one post. Several criticize America’s treatment of Palestine. “People want to free Palestine,” reads one comment, echoing the slogan of the Arab Spring, “The people want the fall of the regime.”

“Allahu akbar” appears occasionally, and one writes, “USA ennemy [sic] of Islam and pro Israel.”

The sudden phenomenon appears to be organic and mostly without leaders. Some posts call for one million posts in twenty-four hours; others urge Tunisians to visit other pages. Remarkably, the overwhelming majority of the posts are from Tunisia alone and no other Arab countries.

Americans may feel bemused or threatened by the flood of comments on their president’s Facebook page. Before social media, such large-scale meetings between distant cultures were impossible. After sparking the Arab Spring and holding a credible democratic election, Tunisia’s young revolutionaries continue to surprise the world.

 

@mecanique: Awesome! Lets hope the folks in Tunisia, Canada, and other parts of the world keep the pressure on! Watching liberals try decide between appeasing everyone else on the planet and defending their beloved president Obama should be more entertaining than feeding your neighbors pitbull gun powder and watching it attack it's master. Its going to be an election year filled with laughter. Thank you.

 

As I said earlier, it only proves that no matter what your agenda is, you will always find enough sheep to follow you.

 

Its been interesting to watch the extreme Right Wing attack the Occupy Wall Street Movement.

Deep down the Occupy Wall Street Movement is motivated by the reality of the United States whose business interests have created an economy that supports more and more money going into the hands of the already wealthy while short changing the vast majority of Americans in the middle class and a growing impoverished class.

The Occupy Wall Street Movement is motivated by trends such as these:




Increasingly, money flows into businesses and out of the reach of normal Americans. Corporate executives get enriched and most American's are stuck with flat or reduced wages and ever higher costs.

These are facts and trends. They are not unsupported accusations. Getting back to unsupported accusations....unnable to deal with the facts of the accompanying graphs which portray the way the American economy has moved....the extreme right is on a rampage of crazy accusations:

The start of this thread describes that Occupy Wall Street is LEDby a Canadian Transvestite.

Fact: Its not. The Occupy Wall Street Movement is not led by anyone.

They have claimed its under ACORN's control.

Fact: Its not. To date there are no controls of any group.

They have claimed its anti-semitic and anti Israel.

Fact: Its not. Highly pro Israel individuals have supported its premises including the former Mayor Koch of NY, one of the most vocal well known supporters of Israel.

Lots of wild accusations. No facts by the Right Wing.

Meanwhile the leaders of the Right Wing in its politicians running for office are doubling down on all the tendencies that have created the graphs shown above and that represent American Reality.

If one spent time on the graphs above and factored in the incredible levels of continued unemployment--factored against the enormous profits of major corporations and the high salaries of corporate executives....

the obvious implications are that corporations should be hiring people and the country should swivel on its collective conscience and realize government is not the cause for the employment issues of this period....its a swing of wealth from salaries to capital.

Of course unable to counter the arguments and current and long term tendencies of the graphs the Right Wing will continue to make crazy accusations in the face of hard truth.

 

Next I suppose you are going to draw me a picture of a pretty pony and tell me its a race horse I can bet money on?

Seriously, how do you just vomit a bunch of nonsense into a post without a shred of evidence and parade around like you've got the market cornered on facts. If you want to know what evidence and facts look like, you might want to scroll up to the first post I created. Note that it is full of links, and evidence.

I can appreciate that Americans are pissed off that they have been sold out by their politicians, I really can. Nobody disputes that. If you feel the need to go sleep in a tent in snow covered Zuccotti park as a testament to your rage, I encourage you to join the Ron Paul supporters who make up almost 40% of the people already there. Just don't be naive about who started this movement, and who controls the sole megaphone universally acknowledged as the mouthpiece of the movement. Interesting to see "Global Revolution" as part of your political wish list.

 

I do not want to get into the middle of an argument. But being objective and asking questions, Is it possible that both of you are right? Someone could have thrown up a website and claimed to represent the Occupy movment. Heck, that is easy.


You said :

That could have been anyone as well. I see I was prone to believing you Obamanation, but I am happy for your work. I am still skeptical until I have more information to dig through. Do you have more?

 

The facts:
1) occupywallst.org is the official site of the Occupy Wall Street movement

2) The official site has its "Read before posting' official rules pinned to the top of its forum. This is not an action that can be taken by anyone but the forum admins.

3) That official posting is made by Agnosticnixie from Quebec.

4) There are matching youtube and flickr accounts for agnosticnixie from quebec, showing videos from the occupy wall st movement


A legitimate argument could be made to say that agnosticnixie, the transgendered 26 year old from Quebec is not the same agnosticnixie from Quebec who set the rules for the OccupyWallSt.org official forum. I'm not saying its a very good argument, but at least you could put some feeble legs under it with the facts on hand.

What is not possible, however, to make the argument that the forum administrator is not from Quebec, as it's own profile states that it is from Laval Quebec. No matter how you slice it, it is a foreign movement.

 

What forum? what website guys? This movement is not about staying online and chatting on a forum. If you want to know who the so called leaders of the movement are, go to NY City, see for yourself. There are none. Even those who handle General Assembly change every day.

I've been among them and can tell first hand that no group is leading them.

 

Let me guess, you think all the food, medical supplies, blankets, ponchos, etc just appeared by magic? Afraid not. Behind the people camping in that square is a network of web sites, a 501c charitable organization that collects donations, and a group of people who spend that money getting on that food and those supplies, and the logistics to get them to Zuccotti park. Don't be so naive. Nothing happens by "Magic".

 

Obamanation posted this earlier, but Adbusters (Canadian company) was the entity that originally called for the OWS protest...

 

That could have been anyone to buy the domain and say; "This is the official site.".

Anyone could have written that.

Thanks, that is what I was thinking. It is information, but "feeble", as you say. There needs to be more facts, at least for me. In Britain, the MET is making fake cell phone towers to route and track cell phone users in a specific area. They do not get the names of people, but they can get the IMEI number of the cell phone. They then call the cell company to get the name if they want. Before they have a name, they can not prosecute, because there is no identity. If they can connect the IMEI number with a name, they have a lot of "probable cause". It is still possible for a person to have an account and let someone else use their phone. "agnosticnixie" is not a person's name, as far as I know. Many people could post under that internet nickname.


The digital realm is complicated, but not impossible. Thanks for the work, please continue ! I wish I could be doing it.

 

I went ahead and did a little "work"

One guy says that a Canadian was arrested and happened to be an agent in the Canadian Special Forces. LINK

Your story may add up, Obamanation...

 

The Extreme Right Wing is on a concerted effort to discredit the Occupy Wall Street Movement (OWS). OWS' calls and claims discredit every element of the Right Wing Political Agenda, which over the last 30 years has simply enriched the wealthy and flattened the efforts of middle class and poor Americans. Endless information supports the claims of OWS....versus unsubstantiated attacks of anger by the Right.

As with prior unsubstantiated attacks on OWS by William Kristol http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1011/Israel_group_attacks_Occupy_Wall_Street_on_bias.html

it took real people with real visits to the Occupy Wall Street Movement to identify these attacks as pure political hysteria :

Richard Cohen visited twice and couldn't find evidence of Kristol's claims: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...0/24/gIQAP89eDM_story.html?wprss=rss_opinions

Now O_Nation, who hasn't been there and denounces the Occupy Wall Street Movement, suddenly makes a leadership charge about a transvestite Canadian.

Again it takes Nima to actually visit the protesters and reveal the truism that there is no singular leadership.

The political right wing is deathly afraid of the Occupy Wall Street Movement as its claims backed by hard data are the 100% opposite of the Right Wing claims about American Economics that have led to

endless funds going into the hands of the wealthy while the vast majority of Americans are existing on flat or declining incomes.

 

I have to laugh at the right wingers who spend SO much time bashing the OWS movement.
They must be thinking that their masters consider them equals, rather than pets.
Won't they be shocked when they finally realize that they are getting f*cked just as hard as the rest of us and that their pensions and retirement savings will vanish like everyone else's.
They are essentially fighting to hasten their own demise.
Retarded, but comical.

 

Thanks for digging that up Rebecca. I had not referrenced it since I had considered that perhaps the movement had pivoted off of it's foreign roots once it got some momentum. Apparently it has not. The people handling the hundreds of thousands of dollars being donated through that site are the good folks at http://afgj.org/. None of this is even up for dispute, so its odd to see people like Earlpearl, who is normally a bit more reasonable in spite of his leftist leanings, trying to deny it.

To be fair, I honestly don't think many of the people out there marching give a damn who the sponsors, founders, and money handlers are. These things take on a life of their own, and this one looks like it is going to be enormous. Every person with a grievance is piling on, if for no other reason than to join the party. In California, there is a group pushing for debt forgiveness for home mortgages. The Unions, Soros, and Michael Moore have piled on. The Ron Paul people have been there from the beginning. In Arizona, the Neo Nazis are showing up to the protests in full camo carrying loaded AR-15s. The only thing all these people have in common is that they all have an axe to grind. This is how agitation works.

I imagine it was a similar set of circumstances that put John Kerry in a room with people being directly funded by the Communist Party, discussing the assassination of two US Senators. Kerry has since been very successful at scrubbing the information off of many internet sites, though the FBI reports obtained through the Freedom of Information act place him at the scene, by the testamony of 5 different agents.

Anyway, this will be no different. This movement, with the help of foreign funding, will continue to grow and the sheeple will continue to march until we see marshall law at some point in the near future, and something like the Kent State shooting happens. Agitating in a down economy is easy and when this many people are involved, it is entirely impossible to control. I'm quite certain the ensueing chaos, which is a certainty, will not displease the people collecting the money Canada in the slightest.

 

The very fact that OWS exists show in how much shit the US and a lot more people are . Instead of being angry with with the decision makers the people are so stupid that they don't even know on what planet they are . While the decision makers are playing polka with what's left of the economy and society the masses are busy hating those that are bigger and better .

This is a sad display of a demented suicidal tendency , kind of makes you hope for an apocalypse lol .