Are religious people stupid?

Look, it's normal that people feel insecure about this world and their life, because we humans have so much self consciousness we can look at ourselves and understand that we're going to die and that brings the question of the meaning of going through life.
Now religion brings easy answers to difficult questions. Most people will be happy to take religion as THe answer (any religion, including your own made religion/god, ok Crowin?)

So, it's only a matter of insecureness. Do you think I'm happy to know that life is meaningless, that I was born because a couple wanted a baby? Hell, many people are born without anyone wanting a baby in the first place but just wanting to fuck. So after a baby is born, he has to go through life with bad and good moments, with death all around him, and being self conscious he knows he also going to die in the end, no matter how much money he got or how many friends he got, death is for everybody.
So many people feel better believing that they have an imaginary friend, a god, and that their life will not end and that their life is not meaningless. Those are beliefs.

So be it, what do I care what people think?

What I really don't like is people who believe those fairy tales and want their stupid beliefs to be the LAW, screw you! You can believe in your stupid fairy tales, but don't even try to talk logically with me because you're out of your league, keep on talking with people at your level, not with me.

Other than that, it seems to me obvious that it takes little brain power to believe in a religion already written for you and that it takes much more brain power to THINK about life and our condition and still be happy with the life we have, the short moment we can experience the world before it's the end. But if believers want to believe that they are very clever ok, whatever.

 

I agree with most of your point James . The problem is not what a person believes in the problem is how it behaves . The majority of the planetary population goes about their daily lives without harming anyone or without trying to enforce the religion upon others . The problem appears when religious propaganda comes into play - nothing and I repeat nothing is more despicable then that . Weather you're a Christian , Muslim , Buddhist , Atheist etc. if you are doing religious propaganda you are a little monster . When organizations exit solely to do religious propaganda it gets even uglier . A persons religion dictates what actions will he attempt during his life - to try to change that is probably the most heinous non-violent crime .

You are right that it is easier to believe then to make your own system of beliefs . It's exactly like the leader - follower position . The majority will choose to follow because it take a huge burden off their chest , this is why most people have jobs instead of being self employed or having their own business . On the plus side one must take not that a follower will have more time to invest into various activities while a good leader must constantly invest time into managing his ways .

 

Greek Mythology - the Sun God if not all, Various Eastern + Western Philosophies, Philosophy in general, The Garden of Eden are all based on life.

It is striking the multitudes of People as Atheist and Organized Religion that base their assertions on the single factor of death, the first as a corpse and the latter as a solution that they failed to find the answer for while living.

Crossing the void as Columbus in finding land on the far side of the Ocean is no different than for Mans Spirit to find existence outside the Physical Presence that was given by the Creator for that purpose Before it becomes a corps.

Worshiping Life is the means to its beginning.

 

James:


Your answer shows how little actual knowledge you have on The subject of religion and worldviews in general. Your post highlights my older posts as to why some atheists have a high iq but have a very low rate of Intelligability, and this is also a subject that has peaked the curiousity of researcher as to why atheists score higher in general then theists in tests such as the asperber quotient test. They have a harder time incoherently intelligabilizing data than normal people do.

The fact that you make blanket statements with no proof shows that you don't have a coherent response to the important part of this debate. It's really hillarious that you make these accusations based on no evidence whatsever gives me more cnfidence to wanting this research to continue.

You claim that after we die we simply do not exist and we believe otherwise is itself a fairytale. I can disprove your atheism as totallyrediculous and archaic just by my research into veridical near death xperiences which are documented in medical journals . This alone gives compelling evidence for the survival of the soul beyond physical death. If your open minded you will begin your search starting with that subject. This is only why I have shown that it is irrational to be an atheist and why i can and just did show why atheism, materialism and naturalism are dying worldviews that are still hung onto by a stubborn refusal to let go of an unintellectual worldview that relies on more faith than any this could ever have . The argument goes equally well against agnosticism. Therefore a reasonable and intelligent worldview should start at (bare minimum) spirituality and the journey starts from there.

From there you need to study history philosophy and morality.
It is posts like yours that I love because they will convert reasonable and intelligent people
to belief in god and swell the ranks of atheism with more of the likes of the 4horsemen of irrationality.

You stated that it's ok for these people to believe in god as long as they don't push laws onto u? Have you been hiding underneath a rock? What do you think the scientific method and western society was based on?
Even Joseph needham the famed atheist sinnologist had to concede that the incredible explosion of scientific achievement of the west happened while china stagnated was due to the Christian worldview that God created an ordered world with laws which were made to be known.

I think if you honestly do sme due dilgence you willcome to the same conclusion that the majority of the worldhas faith in: that a personal God exists.

A high iq alone doesn't mean that a person can intelligablise facts to form a reasonable and coherent conclusion. It takes intuition and common sense. Now I won't even get into the other factors involved here, but I feel that I have gven you enough to start your journey into faith and reason, unless you still value making unresearched and incoherent posts based on emotion .

So, it's only a matter of insecureness. Do you think I'm happy to know that life is meaningless, that I was born because a couple wanted a baby? Hell, many people are born without anyone wanting a baby in the first place but just wanting to fuck. So after a baby is born, he has to go through life with bad and good moments, with death all around him, and being self conscious he knows he also going to die in the end, no matter how much money he got or how many friends he got, death is for everybody.
So many people feel better believing that they have an imaginary friend, a god, and that their life will not end and that their life is not meaningless. Those are beliefs.

So be it, what do I care what people think?

What I really don't like is people who believe those fairy tales and want their stupid beliefs to be the LAW, screw you! You can believe in your stupid fairy tales, but don't even try to talk logically with me because you're out of your league, keep on talking with people at your level, not with me.

Other than that, it seems to me obvious that it takes little brain power to believe in a religion already written for you and that it takes much more brain power to THINK about life and our condition and still be happy with the life we have, the short moment we can experience the world before it's the end. But if believers want to believe that they are very clever ok, whatever.[/QUOTE]

 

Survival of what? You mean you've got existence of soul mentioned in medical journals?
this is getting rich. Please. do go on and give us links!

 

Pingpong123 you sound intelligent and certainly more than me, but what you say is simply whishful thinking. The soul is simply something personal and produced internally, when the device (body) stops working, it's the end of the soul, which is only a personal construction of the world. In computing terms it's a RAM not ROM: unplug the device and everything is lost.
After you can get involved in after death experiences, whatever.. This is ok you can spend your time on earth like you want, but this is only wishful thinking, nothing more, when you die: byebye your soul.

 

If bullshit were music, you'd be a symphony.

I think you know very well what a bigot is - BECAUSE, if you really didn't know (unless you are, what, ten years old?) you would have looked it up, wouldn't you? After all, this is the internet, right? It would take you less time to look up the word "bigot" than it would to write one post. Claiming you don't know what a bigot is your way of running from this discussion like panic-stricken deer. So, my point is that if you claim that you don't know what a bigot is, you are totally full of shit.

Or, do you need me to provide you with dictionary links to the word "bigot"? If that's the case, maybe you need lessons on how to use a search-engine? Do you know how to turn on your computer, or does your mommy do that for you?

"thesickearth", much like a neutered dog, you don't get it, do you? You also poke like a coward from the darkness. You seem horribly afraid to answer any questions or even defend your position, yet you wish to ask me questions about God? You STILL haven't answered ME - what's the difference between an atheist and a bigot? Can you explain the original study that claims "religious people are stupid"? Don't be a coward, answer me!

I believe in God, so I must be stupid, right? Can't the two of you prove that you are smarter than me?

 

Corwin, I'm not 10 years old, I'm just not an english native speaker, so I don't know many words and I told you I'm just not bothered to look up the word just to answer you. And anyway you seem aggressive and not understanding what average IQ for country means.
But don't be so angry, whatever you believe you must be right

 

James it is you that is trying to wish away what I said without giving a coherent answer. If you had bothered to do your research you would understand that your answer to my post was an e
emotional one with no coherent information to prove me wrong.

When I mentioned nde's I specifically said veridical nde's experienced by people experiencing data outside their field of physical view, In Other words, things that they could see even with their eyes open, that have been independently verified right after they have awakes from a flatlined condition with no brain or heart activity.

This is only one reason why 80 percent of doctors either are spiritual or believe in God, it is people like you that cling to the notion that there is no life after death because this evidence is uncomfortable for you and almost all atheists to digest, but just because it is uncomfortable to you it doesn't mean you should go around burying your head in the ground and giving flat answers when the facts speak against you.

If what I said can be verified than it shatters atheism,naturalism and materialism to it's knees. I would suggest reading an article by doctor Gary Habermas called A Paradigm shift. It will show how these 3 worldviews will be flushed down the drain by science itself within 20 to 30 years time.

And it will show what us believers have sensed allready for thousands of years.

 

OK fine, that's so wonderful, see you after we die then, I hope they have internet there also, for porn.

 

James as I have posted before, savants have a high iq but they on the average lack the common sense to intelligibalize information. Researchers are seeing this and are starting to do tests to see if there is a correlation between atheismand low level autism like asperger. When I was 11 I had a college reading level but it doesn't mean squat if I can't make sense of what I'm reading in a coherent way.

You were probably brought up faithfully in an atheistic setting but youcan cure this problem by being open minded and start researching things for yourself. Throughout history believing in God has been synonymus with not only faith but reason as well. I'll give you one example, during Louis pasteurs time it was widely believed by many atheists that life sponaniously generated itself from dirt. When Pasteur showed this wasn't the case , atheists still clung stubbornly to their worldview out of faith.I'm sorry, as an intelligent person I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

Belief in God is faith+reason

 

Do not get what? Your need for an imaginary friend ? No, I, much like a neutered dog, do not get it.

What questions? The only question you asked me was ""I have faith in my friends - it seems that "thesickearth" thinks that faith makes me gullible? ""
I answered it above, the short answer-- YES, if your friends persuaded you to have a -religion-like faith in them. If you developed a religious-like faith by yourself then you are just stupid, but not necessarily gullible.

The difference is that they are two different words-- one can be both, or neither, or just one of those 2. Just like a "plumber" and a "homosexualist" .

I didnt post any studies or claims to them. What I got to do with any of that? Are you well? But if you go that way, sure, the more religious country is the less its likely to be famous for its brains. Its a fact. For example Ecuatorial Guinea is 100% religious, (93 % Christian) and the average IQ is 59. Sweden has 1% of its people that go t o any church and only 23% of people say that they believe that "there is a god somewhere there", and its average iq is 101. All that with 10-12% of Sweden being islamic.

short answer-- yes. Or perhaps you just too much of a coward to be logical. Or both.

Have you ever seen a stupid dude that acknowledged himself as stupid when faced with a proof of his stupidity? So why would anyone engage in such a fruitless and silly endeavour?
Anyway you being stupid does not mean that I am smart or even not stupid. What made you think otherwise? Stupidity?

 

""Have you ever seen a stupid dude that acknowledged himself as stupid when faced with a proof of his stupidity? So why would anyone engage in such a fruitless and silly endeavour?
Anyway you being stupid does not mean that I am smart or even not stupid. What made you think otherwise? Stupidity? ""

Actually sickearth, your living proof of this lol. I would say that getting into a subject without knowing about it fully would be the mark of an idiot wouldnt it.
I would say that corwin is much wiser then you because his intuition and common sense arent shot enough to not be able to sense God. You on the other hand keep believing that believers are stupid and your smart. I would suggest looking into the studies currently being done on the link between atheism and autism.

If religious people are so stupid then why are atheists losing most of the debates against christians?????????

Your antagonistic and patronizing views against religious people suggest that maybe there are hidden insecurities to your own beliefs. This is one sympton of asperger syndrom (a narrow minded worldview that a person clings to irrationally ). There is plent of time in your life to get therapy and live a normal and happy life my friend
God bless you

D O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D what im saying

 

My dear godbot; when I talk with the likes of you, I beseech entertainment only. When you have nothing to say and all your " arguments" are insults, it gets boring.
I couldn't care less of what you think or say about me, after all you are nothing but a few letters on my screen, but if you wish to talk with me , a tad of logic is required. Just a little bit will do. Mkay?

Mention my humble nick to your imaginary friend, perhaps it will help you

 

UMMM can we say pot calling the kettle black? , and actually what I said is logic. Look at teh state of atheism when they rely on the angry , irrational diatribes coming from people such as dawkins and Hitchens etc etc etc and Christian debaters such as Gary habermas, William lane craig and ravi zacharias.
Even atheist sites reported that Craig mopped the floor with Hitchens. Its too bad that you dont even realize that the scientific method itself came out of a christian worldview (sorry to break this saddening news to you), and this was even admitted by an Atheist (needham). Gone are the semi legit atheist thinkers like AJ AYERS (who he himself could no longer say that the after life is just a fantasy), Antony Flew (the top atheist philosopher of the last half of the 20th century) who found that he could no longer hold onto atheism as logically rational or coherent (and converted to deism). The only reason he didnt go all the way was aparrent in his recent videos , He had a very finite understanding of the afterlife and was scared to death of being bored in the afterlife. OH well, I still pray for his soul as he was a genuinely nice guy (unlike you). He made it halfway to deism and even wrote a Book called there is a God. This was when the childish and retarded atheist community attacked him like a shark going after blood, but he stood his ground like a real man.

Its becoming apparent to you that I am much more then letters on a screen my friend, as you seem to like to insult people alot. Doesnt feel good to be made to look like an idiot does it. Now go back to your little european wanna be atheist community and proclaim victory because you did the fashionable thing.

Actually I pray for you , not because of what you have (idiocy) but what you dont have and need (humility and reason as well as intuition)

Now go back to your arsperger research study and prove the link between atheismand arsperger syndrome. And i stand corrected (by myself) on an earlier post in which I typed asperger as asperber (obvious typo that I missed as I was typing on my ipod)
Good day and God bless

"Love is a choice , without free will there can be no love"
Said by me lol

 

Another great post from the springwell of numbing irrationality. Actually I believe what corwin was trying to say is that almost everything requires some amount of faith. The problem with your brain sickearth is that you dont really pick up on subtleties of peoples posts (which is probably a part of your atheism sickness). Christianity requires a leap of faith just like you knowing that your dad loves you einstein (sorry einstien for the insult and the comparison to sickearth, I know you have said many times that you arent an atheist). Christianity is faith and reason and if you did any research into things such as the explosion of scientific achievement in the west in the 16th and 17th century compared to china as professor needham did you will see the truth as he saw it, that it was due to the christian worldview that God made

as British biochemist Joseph Needham records, was the reaction of the Chinese in the eighteenth century when the news about great developments in science that had taken place in the West was brought to them by Jesuit missionaries. For them the idea that the universe could be governed by simple laws which human beings could and had discovered was foolish in the extreme. Their culture simply was not receptive to such notions, but in the christian worldview this is exactly how God was percieved.

Have you ever thought of changing the screen name from sickearth to sickbrain?

Also for Corwin, there is no use arguing with sickearth as he is dogmatically and stubbornly stuck into his narrowminded worldview and will never follow the evidence to where ever it leads as Doctor Antony Flew did and saw how retarded atheism is. I may be just words ona screen but my words are rational whileyour words are hypocritical.

Now sickearth what were you saying about me being insultive (right after your insults to corwin?)
Flew right over your head?

I Gotta admit that next to u , STOX is starting to look intelligent

 

I love this... pingpong123, you nailed it!

Or, to put it another way, why is it the world's evil is ALWAYS caused by atheists? Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, - the list goes on.

A partial list of famous atheists using recent history:
- Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million killed
- Adolph Hitler, Atheist/Paganist: More than 11 million killed
- Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million killed
- Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus killed
- Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus killed
- Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million killed

Can you tell me what kindness, what compassion, has ever been performed in the name of atheism to feed the poor or comfort the sick and dying?

pingpong123, it seems that both "thesickearth" and "Jamescolin" are too shallow to really grasp the substance of this conversation.

"JamesColin", since you are too frightened to look up what a bigot is, let me help you. You are a bigot. Helpful?

"thesickearth", again, you have not answered my question. What is a bigot? (hint: "JamesColin"). Telling me "they are two different words" is kinda useless, isn't it? That really is a coward's answer, right?

 

I hope James Colin and sick earth do not believe all religious people are as ill-mannered as the above two Christians - I know they know better.....

Near Death Experience - is no different than the realism of certain cognitive Dreams experienced by some as meaningful displays of the presence of the Outerworld, attainable as the goal for any and all aspiring Spirits - life outside the physical barriers.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam fail for their reliance after death than Remission before its occurrence.

Jesus accomplished while alive what pingpong alludes to but fails miserably as a Christian to understand, Remission while alive.

Jesus, Walked on Water.....The manifestation Jesus (Spirit) accomplished was demonstrated as proof of his Remission and the ability of the Spirit when fully utilized and properly administered that gives not hope but realism to the goal set forth by the Creator as the possibility for the Everlasting.

The Crucifiers have stricken mankind from the given path and until brought to Justice the accomplishment of Jesuses' Remission can not be made possible for the whole of Mankind as was the final act the Saint aspired to accomplish and failed.

 

I'm amazed how Breeze can drink the bong water and still post .

 

Make that the Three Christians.......