Why to ALWAYS use an NDA before talking to someone

The best protection is not an NDA. Enforcing an NDA requires a lot of money, and when the person violating the NDA is located half way around the world, the chances of successfully stopping someone from violating the NDA are slim.

The best protection? Keep the idea away from untrustworthy people like Grumpy.

Laceygirl, unlike the majority of people posting in this thread, I am sympathetic to your situation. You have a right to complain. Grumpy's answer that it isn't moral but it's legal is not how honorable people do business. Unfortunately, as you have noted, the internet is full of scammers and thieves.

When you deal with the corner grocer, you assume that he hasn't tampered with his scales and you are getting treated fairly. While there are certainly some dishonorable grocers, and some who might be tempted, coming face-to-face with their customers every day gives you some comfort in believing that you are being dealt with honestly. You can safely assume the best and rarely, if ever, get burned.

With the internet, scammers and thieves can hide behind the anonymity of the web. Scoundrels like Grumpy abound. They may not be the rule, but they certainly are not the exception either. As a result, you need to assume that everyone is out to steal from you and act accordingly.

Your best bet now is to implement your idea more quickly and better than Grumpy. I wish you the best of luck.

 

Could say the same thing about VGN1... He must either be Christian Bullock (an already banned DP member) or another PC member... All will be revealed with a report to the Moderators about a possible double account.

 

Sound advice from Business Attorney. Expect to be called an 'idiot' in her next post, BA.

The 'vgn1' poster, by the way, was one of laceys friends, who has now been banned for obvious reasons. Here's a tip for you lacey, don't get your friends to sign up multiple times to try and support your threads if you all share the same IP. Doh.

 

My, I'm sure that will make you feel better. It will enable you to keep on whinging to the world at large while someone else makes a fortune off your idea. OR...

you could stop him in his tracks by release the idea.

As everyone keeps advising you to.

Time to pony up, Lacey. Admit this is just a fake 'spat' to try and sucker in a few dollars from 'investors'

 

Excellent advice, Business Attorney. There is a main reason why I didn't start yet, which even while grumpy starts now is in the way. Its not a good time, although I guess this is a good reason to jump into it.

No, I don't know him, or if I do know him, nobody said they would come in the topic. I have a bunch of friend on DP here. If I wanted their support then you'd see 30 people in here. Its kind of pointless. Ask people to argue?

I have great doubts that biggy has the ability, resources, maturity, etc to handle a project like this.

And there is the 3rd time you have asked. Lets face it. The only reason you are here is because you lack in ideas, which is more than fine. If you are looking for ideas than you should go to the partnership forum and express that you want to do something big, have money, but need a solid business plan idea and look for a partner. This tricking people will not get you anywhere. Obviously if I really did make a plan on a unique site never done before that will take a good piece of pie from the internet I would be smart enough to not release the whole thing. <Biggy's first error. I didn't include some very important aspects of this on purpose to be able to bury him alive in case he decided to do it on his own. I'd rather start this on my own time though.

If I wanted money I wouldn't get an investor, I would just sell one of my large cash cows.

 

Lacey, are you based in the UK? If so, maybe this could help? http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-applies.htm

 

I'm in Canada, He is in UK.

 

@LaceyGirl:

Thanks for the screenshot, I know you did loose a lot on that idiot, however, you made others save quite a lot.

And yes, it is never a good idea to share "multi-million plans" with someone across the globe. You should always keep it to your self, just in case you desperately need a partner, pick someone locally whom you know personally or you can meet up physically.

 

All I can say is wow. Good job in keeping that chat trail. There's no denying who had the idea from the beginning of the chat. I definitely believe a NDA is necessary. Good luck Lucey.

 

Ah! That explains EVERYTHING!

 

And what's that. There is around 33,739,900 who live in Canada and they are spread from a 8030km radius. Now you are making negative judgment on 33,739,900 people?
Wow....you know what, content. You should really think about the things you say. Making a claim like that shows that you have gone beyond the limits of being ignorant. You are just foolish.

 

I tend to strongly agree with this simple policy, and the main reason is a rather compelling one; simply put, "You Never Know"

 

And there you go again, insulting people for no reason again. FYI, I was making a comment about why you seem to think you have no way of pursuing him in a legal sense, which admittedly would now be difficult, seeing as you are on different continents. I assumed from the sad sub-porn 'burlesque' site in your sig that you were in the same country (UK) as Bignose. Still, as your only response to anything is to sling insults, good luck with it. You're obviously a 'victim' personality, and enjoy being 'punished'. Perhaps along with the legal advice you could also seek psychiatric assistance.

 

LoL!!! I have gotten a real kick out of reading this thread! Very funny debates going on here. My position is this: Yes, Lacey has the constitutional right, and freedom to complain as she's merely exercising her freedom of speech. However, that being said, sometimes people don't like whiners/crybabies. Especially in forums. Forums are for posting questions to get help, offering assistance to others, sharing ideas, and general support to help other forum members. At least that's what I use them for.

As for the NDA warning you put out I agree with what was said above in that they are not real useful for keeping others from stealing your ideas. They just legally prevent those you told from sharing the idea with others, not from implementing them on their own.

Also, good luck in getting someone to sign one, and keep their word about not telling anyone else! LoL. I personally have joined programs that were perfectly legal, and had NDA's issued for them which all members were to sign, and later on members broke those agreements by asking gov't agencies (namely the SEC) if those programs were legal because they sounded too good to be true.

The point I'm trying to make is NDA's don't protect you from your idea, or business plan being told to others very well if you're not willing to sue for breach of contract right away if they are broken. They are kinda like those mattress tag warnings you used to see on mattress purchases. You know, the ones that said if you pull off the tags there is a fine of $250k, or something for doing so!! LoL.... Those were a joke because there are no mattress police out there waiting to pounce on you if you pull off that tag! In the same way, there is no one out there who is going to enforce your NDA if someone breaks it. It's up to you to enforce it by taking them to court, and suing them for breach of contract. Without that, having an NDA is like having a chiwawa with a friendly disposition, and no teeth in your house acting as a guard dog!! LoL... Not a very effective deterrent for burglars to say the least! (did you catch the "no teeth" reference?) I hope you get the point....

unfortunately, people who do sign NDA's to be able to join a biz opp, or be told a secret cool idea by you don't always keep their legal promise not to say anything to others so be careful who you share your ideas with. It's better to keep your idea a closely guarded secret, patent it widely with as many variables to the plan as you can think of, and allow others to find out about it only after it is fully protected by patents, trademarks, copyright laws, etc.

I hope I have contributed to this discussion positively in some small way. I had fun reading all the replys at any rate!

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