How important of sex education for teenager ?

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  1. benjii

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    #41
    Nonsense, parents can do exactly the same thing in a serious environment, sex education in classrooms will have giggling, gossip and boys that want to be the stud in the group.

    Hopefully the stud will be our sons, but for our daughters, they are our princesses so keep your daughters safe from the stud.

    EDIT: Be careful of the stud, he is on the prowl for a victim don't let it be your little princess.
     
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  2. blacklivin

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    #42
    Sexual education is just that, education. The right information is always going to be better than wrong information. I'm 21 and I still hear people spreading old false information of how to not get someone pregnant when you don't have protection, etc. That doesn't mean that I think it shouldn't be optional for parents to educate their kids themselves, but a lot of people don't have parents that would care to do it, and that's the usual lower class that gets impacted by teen pregnancies the most. Taboo/forbidden subjects entice people, just look at how many people drank in the US during prohibition for instance. I don't believe sexual education would steer a kid into having sex before they're ready, quite the opposite. I look at it with the same viewpoint as being taught about the dangers of drunk driving while I was preparing for my driving exam.
     
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  3. benjii

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    #43
    That is your opinion, you are 21 and probably as hot as they come when you see a sexy good looking girl with fantastic legs topped up with the sex edu class you had an hour ago, wow she looks good.

    You might even change your mind when you have a daughter of your own knowing she is in sex edu classes with all those hot guys giggling and don't forget the STUD lol
     
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  4. blacklivin

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    #44
    Sex education didn't teach me to be attracted to women, haha, I accomplished that one on my own well before that class, and believe me, some of the STD explanations almost had me screaming in terror in my sleep. I'm not saying parents shouldn't have a choice in the matter in any way, something that personal should be left up to the families discretion due personal beliefs. So please don't take my opinions personally. But I know some parents are a bit irresponsible and their children would be better off learning about sex, pregnancy and STD's from an educated professional than say a careless drunk mom who says "lol if you leave a strand of your hair at the cross roads you won't get herpes!". Not all parents are/want to be involved.
     
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    #45
    Life is a big teacher...every one do flaws in their teen ages but be mature after teen age...
    only a father or a mother gives you education of sex correctly according to their experience...
     
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  6. BeirutMarketing

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    #46
    Nonsense, I had sex ed classes when I was in 10th and 11th grade in high school, and unless the collective level of maturity has dropped significantly since then (it was about 10 years ago that I was in high school), there was not and will not be any "giggling, gossip and boys that want to be the stud in the group." Sure, maybe one or two students could act immature, but this is the exception and not the rule. Yeah, someone might make a joke from time to time, but do you really think that teenagers NEEEEVEEEERRR make any sexual jokes, even outside of school? Come on.

    As for parents doing the job in a serious environment, this may or may not be the case. Leaving the job 100% to parents will ONLY work if the parents are: educated, open minded and the teenager feels comfortable discussing these topics with them. Otherwise, there are the following issues to consider:

    * Parents may not have the necessary knowledge about sex education, such as the possible diseases and ways to protect yourself from them.
    * Parents could have a "taboo" attitude towards sex and the only thing they will say is: "HEY!!! DON'T DO IT!!!" without giving any real advice.
    * Even if the parents are relatively open minded, many teenagers may not feel comfortable discussing topics related to sex with them. In this case, the sex ed class offers them the opportunity to ask questions and share information with their teachers and fellow students.

    Hmm... I see... typical hypocrisy, the son can be a stud and do whatever he wants, but the daughter has to be a princess and never have sex. I got a news flash for you: females also love sex (though they may not talk about it or brag about it as with boys). How are you going to keep your "princess safe"? Lock her up so she never sees a boy? And what if your daughter, the "princess" decides to have sex?? What will you do, throw rocks at her like a Taliban??

    Sigh..... if two teenagers decide to have consensual sex, THERE IS NO VICTIM. It's two people who decided that they both want to have sex, no one victimized anyone. A girl has the right to choose if she wants to have sex with a certain person. If she doesn't, then she can say "NO" - this "choice" is something that is also taught in sex ed, by the way.

    Same thing if we are at the gym and I challenge you to a boxing match in the rink. If you accept, then you are NOT a "victim" and I am NOT an "aggressor" since we both agreed to a fight together!

    Again, sex education is NOT there to make anyone "hot", but to provide factual and realistic information about what sex is, and what the risks are to protect yourself. There is plenty of sexual content on television, in magazines, on the internet, etc. So removing a teenager from a sex ed class will NOT prevent them from finding out what sex is, it will just prevent them from getting good information on how to protect themselves. A hot girl looks good, that's true, but she will always look good regardless of whether you just walked out of a sex ed class or NOT. For example, when I walk out of a firearms training class, I don't get the desire to go out and shoot people. It just teaches how to handle a gun safely and accurately.

    No, I won't. I don't have children, but if I had a teenage daughter I would want her to get the proper information on the risks involved with sex and how to protect herself. I also want her to have a place to ask questions about sex if she doesn't feel comfortable discussing the topic with me. Again, sex ed is in usually taught in high school, and not 3rd grade elementary school, where everyone will giggle at the words "penis" or "breasts". High school students are more mature and will want to learn and understand the content and not just laugh and giggle and make jokes.

    Yes, I have had sex as a teenager. So if my daughter decides to have sex at that stage, I am NOT a hypocrite and therefore will NOT tell anyone (my children included) not to do things that I have done. I just want her to have all the info necessary to make smart decisions and be safe.

    Sorry Nancy, that's false. Your parents are NOT "all knowing magical super beings". See my points made above. They may not have any knowledge about the risks involved in various sex acts and ways to protect yourself. Furthermore, if in their minds sex is something "taboo" or "evil", then they may not even want to talk about it with their children.

    Think of it this way, if your father comes from a country where traffic rules are routinely flouted, people drive at top speed on the highway, run people off the road, drive in the wrong lane, etc, etc.... Will you really trust him to tech you about "driving safety"???? OF COURSE NOT!

    Same thing, if your parents don't know NOTHING about online business, heck, they barely can figure out how to turn on the computer, do you expect them to teach you how to become a better webmaster??? OF COURSE NOT!

    Expecting parents who have no knowledge of sex education themselves to teach it to their teenagers would be like me expecting the Chinese convenience store clerk (who barley knows 20 words in English) to teach me proper grammar and pronunciation.... Ugh... I won't learn much now, will I?

    This is why sex ed is taught by professionals who have the necessary knowledge and information to pass on to teenagers.
     
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  7. benjii

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    #47
    I speak as a parent in regards to my daughters having sex edu within a classroom filled with other pupils, boys and girls, and i choose not to let my daughters take part.

    Guns? totally different scenario, grammer? totally different scenario, webmaster? totally different scenario, driving lessons? you know what i mean.

    Again, until you have children then you will understand.
     
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    #48
    not necessary,as we get older teenagers will understand it myself.
     
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  9. BeirutMarketing

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    #49
    I was comparing a parent teaching sex ed with teaching driving, etc. to show you a comparison that you need to know about something before you can teach it.
    If you can't even keep your car going in a straight line and think that the speed limit is just a decoration, do you really think you would be capable of teaching your daughter how to drive safely, or don't you think it would be better to let a professional do it instead? Remember, just being a parent does not grant you infinite wisdom and knowledge.

    If you believe that you can teach your daughter about sex ed better than professional educators, then fine that's your choice, but I will leave you to think about this:

    Do you really have knowledge about the potential risks associated with various sex acts, such as STDs and ways to minimize risks and protect yourself?

    Will you truly "educate" her and provide true, factual and neutral information or will you simply go with: "Sex is evil/Bad/Taboo/Don't do it or you will become crazy and the great Kababbobogouulooo in the sky will punish you"?
    Remember, just because you forbid something, doesn't mean that your "pure innocent princess" will listen to you. Teens break rules all the damn time. When I was a teenager, I've known plenty of girls with "strict conservative" parents have sex with boys. This is simply reality and cannot be ignored.

    If she decides to have sex, can your "princess" honestly and openly talk to you about it, without fear of being yelled at and thrown out of the house?

    As for the "Again, until you have children then you will understand." well, I already understand. My children will be free to learn about sex in school and discuss it with their teachers and other students if they wish. I will not try to shield them from reality.
     
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  10. thesickearth

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    #50
    FYI a 14 yo woman has a higher chance of getting a child with a Down syndrome and other anomalies than a 13 yo. A 15 yo has a higher chance than a 14 yo. And so on. So yeah, make her wait till she finishes that fellowship for Oncology before she has kids. Go on.
     
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    #51
    I guess that means they won't be doing it since they didn't get the edu.
     
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    #52
    What happens is that the family of the girl ends up holding a bag. But if you are family of the stud, you can say : "Well... Ouups!" Try to do the same with a new bastard at home and a daughter that will have to marry god knows whom just so he will agree to take her with the baggage.
     
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    Oh, here we go. Spend 15 years, half a million dollars and a few billion nerve cells to raise a princess, and then we'll talk about her inseminators and your thoughts about this whole thing.
     
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    #54
    Umm... my main point was that sex education can actually help PREVENT unwanted teenage pregnancies by giving teens info on how they can protect themselves.
     
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    #55
    That's completely true and it once again, makes the case for sex ed in school. As someone mentioned before, the high incidence of teenage pregnancies in low income areas is due to a lack of education, with parents not knowing how to talk to their kids about sex and schools not doing so either.
     
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    Yeah? really? How? I for example do remember myself with the hand almost completely inside in a teen-aged woman, trying to find a used condom. So?
    What about herpes, chlamidia, Hepatitis A, B, C and D? What about 50-100 different species of HPV viruses? What are you gonna say when your daughter becomes sterile , chronically sick or cancerous? " Ouups?"
     
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    #58
    Umm.. I'm not quite sure I understand the first part... WHY was your hand inside a teen age woman, and WHY was there a used condom inside her? What happened? Did it slip off??

    Herpes is not fatal and while not curable, it can be managed through anti-viral medication.
    Chlamidia can be cured by antibiotics and is unlikely to cause complications if treatment is sought fast enough.
    HPV (condylomas) usually disappear on their own. There are effective treatments available. While it does increase somewhat the risk of cervical (? I think, not sure) cancer, it does not necessarly mean that you will GET cancer. Furthermore, there is an HPV vaccine called Gardasil that is available to prevent HPV.
    As for hepatitis (again, not 100% sure, don't have time to research now) some forms go away on their own, while for others, treatments are available.

    In all cases, the risk of contracting these STDs is reduced greatly if a condom is used. Sure, it doesn't guarantee 100% effective protection in all cases, just like a ballistic helmet and flak jacket will not guarantee your survival in a war zone, but it reduces the risk significantly.

    Proper education will help teenagers in 2 aspects: 1) they will learn about using protection and why it is important to do so... seeing pictures of what STDs look like tend to make people think twice about protecting themselves 2) it will help them recognize the signs and symptoms of STDs, as well as let them know where they can seek treatment if they suspect they have something. Remember, sex ed or not, some teenagers will have sex. It's better that they know what the risks are.

    What is there for me to say if it happens? She should have been more careful, and with proper protection, the chances of this happening are slim, similar to the chances of getting killed in a car crash. If I have a daughter, I will talk to her honestly about sex ed, in addition to what is taught in school. I am very aware that telling her: DON'T YOU DARE HAVE SEX EVER!! will not work.
    Now what will you say if your daughter hits a tree at 150 MPH? What are you going to do, blame the car company for making too fast cars? Blame the cops for not stopping her earlier? She was the one driving recklessly, even though she should have known the dangers involved. She knew the risks involved with going that fast, and knew that perfectly well she would have been much safer if she slowed down.
     
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    Yes quite important! Tell them not to have children until they are in a relationship where they BOTH want children. Get them on birth control if they want it! Tell them to use condemns, get HPV vaccine, and to abstain from sex if appropriate.
     
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    Thank you! All of the above is an intelligent thing to do. While you may talk about abstinence, keep in mind that pushing "Abstinence Only" is a recipe for a big FAIL. Want an example of why it doesn't work? Sarah Palin's daughter...
     
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