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Egypt looks like it is going DOWN

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Obamanation, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. Breeze Wood

    Breeze Wood Peon

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    #61
    I agree they have their own issues, but they are also responsible for the suppression of Gaza that has only kindled hostility over solutions and is the connection between Egypt and Israel and their treaties that is the underlying concern for peace in the Middle East.
     
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    securesite Well-Known Member

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    I really think the president will not step down. He already named vice president for the first time since coming to power nearly 30 years ago. He named his intelligence chief and close confidant Omar Suleiman.

    Omar Suleiman:One of the “new” names have been mentioned as a possible alternative to President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Omar Suleiman, is actually not new to anyone who has followed the U.S. policy of rendition of terror suspects. After dissolution of his cabinet yesterday, Mubarak Suleiman elected vice-president, and according to many commentators, he is ready for a potential successor, and an alternative to Mubarak’s son and intended heir to date, Gamal Mubarak. Suleiman is a known quantity in Washington. Suave, sophisticated, and speaks fluent English, he has served for years as the main channel between the U.S. and Mubarak. While he has a reputation for honesty and efficiency, it also introduces a number of controversial baggage from the standpoint of those who have a clean slate for Human Rights.

    The president was seen as grooming his son Gamal to succeed him, even once the presidential elections scheduled for later this year. But there was considerable public opposition to inheritance.
     
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  3. imad

    imad Peon

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    #63
    I think that the only issue Egypt has right now, is Mubarak, once they solve it, everything else will be much easier to solve, whether it was an internal issue, or external.

    The current regime is not only responsible, even if partly, for what happened and still happening in the open-air prison Gaza, and the suppression of people there, but also responsible for the suppression of the Egyptian people. Peace between the governments of Egypt and the illegal state of Israel, did exist, but peace between the people of Egypt and the Israeli government, never existed and will never exist, it is hard to ask people with awake conscious to make peace with apartheid, racist, and criminal regime, that is why both US and Israel are so interested in keeping on the current regime, and not as excited as it was with Iran.

    Needless to mention the gas deal in which Israel gets almost free gas from Egypt, after US pressure on Egypt to sell Israel it's gas that they need it more than Israel, then when Egypt had s shortage in gas, we see Israel offering Egypt's gas back to Egypt with 600% profit, why did US make pressue on Egypt to sell Israel gas when Israel does not need it, and when Egypt is in much need for it?? And you want to keep peace? I doubt that the people of Egypt will want peace with those criminals, and if I am an American, I will really worry about a new "embassy hostages", it will be wrong if it happened, but I will not blame it to Egyptians alone.

    What US and Israel are trying to tell the world, to try to enhance their ugly image, is that we supported Mubarak, because he was able to bring stability, as if they really care about Egyptian people and their stability, and the other reason, is so the Muslim brotherhood won't reach power, and they go on in portraying Muslim Brotherhood as extremist, and even terrorists, to try to shine and clean their own image, by making all look bad, what about democracy? which you been talking about with wide open mouths when people went to streets in Iran?

    Well, Muslim Brotherhood looks bad in the eyes of Americans, so are Arabs, Muslims, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, French, and even English, and even more ... all out there to get Americans, all out there to hate and envy Americans, for what? for your stupidity? just watch American movies and see, what happens now is the world does not care about US, because US never cared about any of these or others, no matter how much they try to tell their own people that they are good, and helping, they are not, in the contrary, you can keep your 1.5 billion aid to Egypt, they really will not need it after Mubarak, it was for Mubarak and his gang as a reward for cooperating, not for the Egyptian people, it will be enough to stop stealing Egyptian gas, and end corruption, this alone will put 25 billion dollars in Egypt's safe every year.

    You can also keep your old out of duty tanks and weapons that you give to Egypt every year to suppress their people, because it will be much cheaper than recycling them or destroying them there on US lands, Egyptian people can make their own, but I doubt they will need tanks anymore, except to defend the country from any Israeli attempt to destabilize it.


    Both US and Israel are having hard time explaining to the world why they are not as much excited for human rights and democracy as they were with Iran, the only excuse is that they have peace with Israel, despite it is not true as been mentioned above, when they say that, they are actually saying, we will support a tyranny, dictator, suppressor, over his own people as long as this tyranny is willing to make peace with the illegal state of Israel, and allow Israel to keep its illegal occupation and settlements, even if it means that he steals his own people wealth and give it for almost free to Israel, even if this dictator is responsible for making most of his people below poverty line, despite his own country is so rich in resources, they are saying it is OK for any leader to kill his own people as long as he make peace with Israel.







     
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  4. borber

    borber Well-Known Member

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    #64
    Oh, for sure it is just Israel who guilty in every problem Egypt has.
    For many years such "apostles of law" as imad studiously mentioned Israel in quotations and with first small letter: "israel". It looks like now they've got new command to have new way to name Israel in every mention - as "illegal state of Israel".
    It's funny. :)
    It's only way they can use to bite Israel.
     
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  5. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    #65
    These Zionists are leading us all into word war 3, if you guys stop supporting them perhaps it can be prevented.

    :cool:
     
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    #66
    in ww2 they sacrificed Jews but it didn't prevent that war!
     
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  7. imad

    imad Peon

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    #67
    It looks like you are wrong, because if you been following my posts for many years as you mentioned, you would have noticed that the "illegal state of Israel" is not a new term, here is an old post of me, dated dec 2009, I can find older, but I picked this one because it also tells why it is illegal,

    and if you need more info why Israel is illegal according to international law, you can check the laws here and how did Israel violated them and it's admission to UN:

    http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3.htm
     
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  8. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #68
    Thread is about the upheaval in Egypt... not about Israel, nor about you or your petty prejudices. Peddle your hatred elsewhere.
     
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    geekos Well-Known Member

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    #69
    WTH even the internet is blocked in EGYPT.
     
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    #70
    They are not able to... Everything they are talking about boils down to "guilty illegal Israel". It's only topic they are trained in. :) And it is probably the reason of many problems they have in their own countries - hating Israel takes all their time, there is no time to look at and solve their own problems.
     
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  11. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #71
    Its blind hatred. Its about the only thing that allows his kind not to focus on the pathetic mess otherwise known as their own life.
     
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    #73
    If you will watch this video it will tell a 'few' stories of the US intervention. It is a short clip so a few more countries were excluded.


    [video=youtube;guAcGOTaIts]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guAcGOTaIts[/video]
     
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    IsraeI Peon

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    #74
    I watched 1 minute of that video, no need to see more, I get the message.

    The US has been supporting dictators for decades, and at the same time supports other countries to get democracy, there is only 1 way you can interpret this, and that is they are doing whatever is in their best interests, it's all about the benjamins.

    It's about time the world recognized the real enemy.

    Won't be long until a sheep comes to defend the tyrants.

    :cool:
     
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    #75
    Must be nice to live in a world so simple that every question has the same answer.

    Funny you mention "sheep". That's a good description of someone that lets his religion think for him... a born follower. Shame the UK won't let ya just stone everyone that fails to agree with your backward ways. Darn those narrow minded Brits. :)
     
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    #76
    nevermind

    10char
     
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    He's got to be the most popular guy on his block in the UK.

    Seriously though, can you imagine this guy living down the block from you, or even claiming to reside in your country? I'd be expending no small amount of energy to facilitate his return to Qatar.
     
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    #78
    Seems a similar situation that happened during February 1986 Revolution in the Philippines. ;)
     
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    Two aircraft operated by Air China and Hainan Airlines left Cairo on Tuesday carrying 480 Chinese nationals who had been stranded in Egypt. Taiwan will bring back nearly 500 of its nationals using charter and commercial flights, The Foreign Ministry said. Japan's government is urging an estimated 600 Japanese travellers still in Egypt to leave the country as soon as possible using commercial flights. The U.S. State Department said more than 1,200 Americans were evacuated on nine flights on Monday flights to Turkey, Cyprus and Greece.

    Governments pull citizens out of Egypt
     
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    It's starting to look more and more like 1979 in Iran.

    Many people are missing this but the late 1970s crisis were caused by out of control food prices which is the same situation today. The US grain reserves are at zero. Wheat has increased in price form $4 a bushel to $9. That's a significant increase for a population that lives on less than $2 per day.

    The Egyptian people have a right to self determination. With that said, nothing good is going to come from mob rule. More likely than not, the Muslim Brotherhood will step in to fill a power vacuum and the Egyptians will be worse off than under Mubaruk.

    The threats from a Muslim Brotherhood takeover in Egypt in the spread of disorder to Iraq and Saudi Arabia throgh Hezbollah pentration into Iraq and Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood penetration into Saudi.

    Any spark could cause a regional war or a oil supply disruption that could collapse the US economy.

    Interesting that you say Hummus Recipe! A few days prior to the unrest in Egypt intelligence sources detected infiltrations of Hezollah into Gaza. Approx 20,000 prisoners have been busted loose and many have made their way into Gaza. Over the weekend, it's been reported that there has been substantial fighting between Egypian border guards and Hamas.

    http://www.debka.com/article/20608/

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_egypt_protest


    Back in the 1950s there was the quation: "Who lost China!"

    It turned out that McCarthy was right and that the guy who was in charge of US foreign policy with China was a communist. This has been proven recently from secret 'communist era' KGB files.
     
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