United States Heading towards a Depression?

ahaha brilliant, made my day thanks

 

We are in the eye of the storm.

The work has become skewed to illegal employment. Most of the jobs are filled by word of mouth and waiting in front of Home Depot etc. Some jobs like kitchen help and cleaners require that the workers speak Spanish.

THere's approx 1.3 million legal immigrants per year and another 700k illegal immigrants. The immigrants generally can afford to work for less because they are subsidized with all sorts of welfare like food stamps and section 8 housing.

People are paying down some debt. But foreclosures are going through the roof.

There's less money out there; because, people can't use their homes as piggybanks. Also, the stock market and housing bubbles were putting money in peoples pockets.

U.S. investors pulled $8.6 billion out of bond funds in the week ended Dec. 15, the largest withdrawal since October 2008 when financial markets were in free-fall. They pulled an average of almost $3 billion every week since Nov. 23

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Surge-of-money-from-bonds-apf-4101830214.html?x=0

 

If young Americans and percentage of middle age would just be willing to do hard work rather than collecting money from government but driving Escalades and other expensive vehicles, they won't blame anyone for their shortcomings.

 

I believe the legal immigration rules prevent problems like the ones you describe. I know most other places I've been have income and net worth requirements before they will grant you residency. You can't just move to another country without at least $100,000 in the bank, an income stream, and a spot free criminal record. I do agree that the economy should be taken into account when determining the number of legal immigrant visas to be issued in any given year.

The problem you describe with illegal immigration is spot on. They become a burden to the system on the day they break the law entering the country, whether it be the wasted military, border patrol, and fencing that was used in trying to keep them out, the hospitals which cannot charge them or question their legal status as they have babies to establish a foothold, the section 8 housing or food assistance programs they live on because employers pay them less, or the police salaries and damages to private property as neighborhoods fill up with poor people which invariably brings crime.

On the bright side, this has been going on long enough that their kids are starting to arrive at voting age in large blocks, and they actively vote and march against any state measure that calls for the government to enforce the laws on the book. They also vote for the Democrats who pander to them.

 

I don't quite get it. How are illegal immigrants qualify for food assistance or housing as they are illegal. They can't even get bank accounts just change their checks at local check cashing biz. Even REAL Americans as you call are a burden much more.

 

Don't worry this thread is full of lies and propaganda.

 

See the rule at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services:

Identification Requirements Vary
Most states accept a variety of IDs as valid. In general, any document that reasonably establishes identity must be accepted. For example, case managers in Chicago, Illinois utilize library cards. No specific form, such as a birth certificate, may be required. ​

 

This MSNBC(liberal) report sums it up pretty well. For stolen identity, another three are shared. Of course stolen or borrowed identification is mostly only relevant in the case of dealing with someone who actually cares (like a bank/bank account).

Hospitals care, but cant deny people service so no identification is necessary. At least in California, state sponsored programs such as Medi-Cal/Medicaid, and food assistance require absolutely no identification whatsoever. I suppose the logic is that requiring drivers licenses/state sponsored identification would discriminate against homeless people without such identification. Recipients of these benefits need simply show up and fill out(lie on) a government form. As shown in the case of Nikki Diaz, one can continue lying on those forms for years without consequence. In most cases, there will be no consequences even after the lie is discovered.

 

We were talking about welfare, housing and independence cards (food stamps), a social security number is required for this. You buy a car you need a social. You get a loan you need a social ? Where does illegal immigrants qualify for this ? New generation Americans are not inclined to do hard labor. Somebody has to do the work and only illegals are available. It's better for them to play XBox at home rather than work in rooftop in construction at 90 degrees in summer or placing asphalt on roads at 20 degrees in winter. Its only news some people see which are more lies. In actual nobody wants to work on those conditions.

 

You are confusing an 8 digit number with a photo identification. You do understand the difference, right?

 

No, some banks do not require a social security number for loans. One state was found in collusion, helping to falsify
documents for illegal aliens who wanted driver's licenses. Here is a link to see a real-time update on how much illegal immigrants are costing the taxpayer. LINK

 

Lol I do understand what you mean. So an illegal immigrant can get a car loan just photo ID ?

 

You are confusing bank accounts with State(taxpayer) funded benefits. You do understand the difference right?

 

What about the taxes they take off from the paycheck where does it go. There are Federal- State - Medicare and most often County Taxes where does this go ?

 

Try reading the links, especially ones from high quality sources like MSNBC.

Considering most of these guys work under the table, payment of taxes is not really an issue, but for the ones who actually do show a bogus SSN, the above words are very applicable

 

No I'm not maybe you are ? Independence card can be obtained without social ?

 

TV news ? You believe in those ? LOL

 

If it was a bogus SSN then where are the taxes they paid outright where does it go ?

 

Lets trace the conversation back. I kick it off talking about the drain of taxpayer dollars from illegal immigration. You try and deny this fact by pointing out bank accounts cant be obtained without documentation. I respond by pointing out the government does not require said documentation to provide benefits, and you go, once again, to auto loans (banking).

I can see why you want to talk about banking, but I could really give a cr*p about banking. Banks are private institutions who make their own money, the government operates on my tax dollars. If you want to just concede the point that these people are an enormous burden to the taxpayer, then fine, lets talk about banking. If not, perhaps you should try staying on topic.

 

Why its not an issue ? If they work under the table they buy food. they buy clothes. Helping the sagging economy. They even buy shit cars made by americans. So there are taxes in place.