I want to get #1 google position on a certain keyword. Now the #1 position belongs to a page on a very large domain - the page itself have 50 backlinks to it, while the domain have 10,000+ backlinks. My question is, to beat the #1 page in term of backlinks, do I have to beat the 50 links or do I have to beat 10,000 links? I've check and those 50 links are mostly from blog and forums posts. Thanks for all input!
Kind of a hard question to answer, but as I understand it both the domain and the specific page have an effect. To "beat" it doesn't mean having 51 or 10,001 links - every link will carry a different amount of link juice. My advise is to just go about your backlinking and take note of how your site moves through the SERPs.
The number isn't important - just build quality links. In other words, steer clear of forum and blog spamming when you build links.
where does his main domain for that key word rank or does it rank at all for it? I would analyze the first 1000 of the 10k links to the domain and see how strong they are. If most of those 1k bl from the main domain are less the PR5 you can BL with PR5 + with less than 5000. How are the OBL on the blog comments and what are the PR on the main domain of the forums?
The domain itself didn't rank for the keyword, only one page on that domain ranks for the keyword. --- For example: keyword "chinese zodiac calculator" The first result: www.chinesezodiac.com/calculator.php - have 236 backlinks The domain: www.chinesezodiac.com - have 1483 backlinks Assuming that I can get same quality of backlinks, how many backlinks do I have to build - 236 or 1483 ?
I know, what I really wanted to know is "do I have to compete with 236 or 1483 backlinks", not "how many backlinks do I need to beat them".
Who knows, the true answer to that really??? The page would be treated differently I would not say your competing against the 10,000 links and are competing against the 50, although in saying that am pretty sure that the search engines also take into account that the domain has 10,000 links to its main page. Many factors are considered when working out serps, more than simpley how many links a page or domain has, if your other stuff is bang on and the other websites is terrible you may not need anywhere close to that many even. Consider good content, am sure you have heard this over and over, but its true, make sure your content is good enough people will naturally want to link to it, also make sure search terms you want to do well for actually exist on the page you want to do well. Make sure the site is well designed with consideration to all on page optimization techniques, also make sure you have covered userbility well and considered loading speed optimization. If your site design is as near perfect as you can get it and the content is great then it makes life much easier when it comes to promoting a site/page to get it doing well.
Analize the the first 100 BL of 236 and see what PR they are if less than 50% pr5 all you need is 100 pr5+ to crush him or get 50 pr5 and 10 pr5+edu/gov