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Wikipedia as first result - can I compete?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by yoes_san, Jan 10, 2010.

  1. #1
    I'm new at these SEO stuffs.

    One of my prospect keyword have high search volume and high competition, but the #1 google result for that keyword is wikipedia link, while the subsequent results are sites that obviously have no SEO on them.

    Is this mean no one try to do SEO for this keyword yet?

    Will it be hard for me to take 1st position from wikipedia?
    And how long will it takes if I buy a domain now and start doing the SEO? Will I got effect by google sandbox?

    Thanks in advance for all inputs.
     
    yoes_san, Jan 10, 2010 IP
  2. crazyblogger

    crazyblogger Active Member

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    I would say go for it. Most of the people don't use wiki that ofter and you have a great chance of success even if you land on second position. I generally don't go to wiki links but I don't know about other people.
     
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  3. TheoS

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    Analise the content of Wikipedia and the three following competitors for that keyword.

    They must be doing something right!

    People push these pages to the top rankings because they visit the pages, so what is it in these pages that attracts these visits?

    If you add to your own web page to make the content even more valuable and you correctly optimize the page, the only thing left to do is to find out how many back links you will need to start competing for the top three spots.

    Hope this helps.
    Theo
     
    TheoS, Jan 10, 2010 IP
  4. dorothykinder

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    Hi,
    I would say to go ahead as its a very good chance as since you may land in the top 10 results and if you buy a new domain now then there is a problem with this as SEO efforts for this domain needs to be a lot as since the site has to get index first in Google.
     
    dorothykinder, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  5. simpseo

    simpseo Active Member

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    At this point in time when you haven't even started SEO on your site yet, set your sights on the no. 2 spot and make sure that your title is well optimised for your keyword and your description is well-written enough to attract click throughs to your site.
     
    simpseo, Jan 11, 2010 IP
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    w3bmaster Notable Member

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    Go for it even if you don't get #1 still could get good traffic ...
     
    w3bmaster, Jan 11, 2010 IP
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    abhijit Notable Member

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    can you put your keyword here so we can analyze in details...............
     
    abhijit, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  8. GekiDan

    GekiDan Active Member

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    I have seen some sites that have beaten Wikipedia on the first place.
    Well, go for it and do the necessary work on your web site.

    I wish you luck.
     
    GekiDan, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  9. AlexPato

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    You can't turn down Wiki, You context cannot be as comprehensive than Wiki.
     
    AlexPato, Jan 11, 2010 IP
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    i dont think, no one can compete bcoz its good content with inner linking
     
    lindamood1, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  11. herwin

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    It is hard to get above wikipedia, but when you get on the second place or even on the first page it is a great result too and you will get lots of traffic from it.
     
    herwin, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  12. yoes_san

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    Thanks for all inputs, I'll start the site and see how it goes.

    If I can't replace wikipedia, I'll just aim for first 3 position then.
     
    yoes_san, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  13. john_nex

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    You can get the #1 position. It's all depends upon contents used, inbound traffic, and your web page's PR and some other factors. No doubt to get the higher position you'll have to do SEO.
     
    john_nex, Jan 11, 2010 IP
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    It would be very difficult, but it is achievable. Being #2, below Wikipedia, wouldn't be bad at all. People who aren't looking for an encyclopaedic resource would hopefully go straight to your site instead.
     
    yellow-lolly, Jan 11, 2010 IP
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    If your competing with too generic keyword, I doubt you'll surpass wikipedia. Unless you own exact keyword domain or you are the source of wikipedia's info then you might have a shot.

    You can surpass wikipedia but the work needed is too large and might not be practical.
     
    seo_mae, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  16. Canonical

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    I'm sorry. But the "visits" have no affect on rankings. Sending 1000s of people to a web page through social media like tweeting for instance will do ZERO for a page's rankings UNLESS one or more of those visitors decide to create a followed link on some other site (possibly their own) that links to the page with the targeted link text. It's the links generated as the results of visits that affect rankings, not the visits themselves.

    This totally depends... Sometimes wikipedia pages can easily be displaced... The key is determining whether they are ranking because of the content and internal linking (i.e. it's a very non-competitive phrase)? or if that wikipedia page has lots of backlinks from external sites linking to them?

    If the page has no external backlinks then they are often easily displaced. But wikipedia pages often rank well because the people who generate the pages also link to them and build additional links to them because they WANT the wikipedia page about their company or topic to rank because it has links to their site (even though they are nofollowed links). Wikipedia is trusted by a lot of people and such pages can generate a LOT of traffic to sites being linked to from the wikipedia page.
     
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    Canonical, Jan 11, 2010 IP
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  17. sultanofseo

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    you can go for it and with enough backlinks, you just may be able to take over wikipedia ranking. however, remember that wikipedia is non-commercial site and people looking for some products or services will most likely visit the 2nd result as well. shoot for #1 but even if you are #2, still it would be good given that wikipedia is not your direct competitor
     
    sultanofseo, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  18. Connections

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    depends what the keyword is, wikipedia uses many aspects to out rank other sites not just content...

    Its deffinatly not a easy task to achieve if the wiki page is highly seo'd.
     
    Connections, Jan 11, 2010 IP
  19. GekiDan

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    You are indeed correct.
    Since there are already a good number of people who don't really trust on Wikipedia, being #2 is a great achievement.
     
    GekiDan, Jan 12, 2010 IP
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    Though it also depends on what keyword he is targeting, ie, If he is targeting Link Park or Google would that be easy. I don't think so even a Simple app like BitComet couldn't be turned down except official ones and download.com
     
    AlexPato, Jan 12, 2010 IP