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Global warming is fake come and read..

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by klkhosting, Nov 22, 2009.

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    Taken from http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009

    Climatic Research Unit emails, data, models, 1996-2009
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    Released November 21, 2009
    Summary

    This archive presents over 120Mb of emails, documents, computer code and models from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, written between 1996 and 2009.

    The CRU has told the BBC that the files were obtained by a computer hacker 3-4 days ago.

    This archive includes unreleased global temperature analysis computer source code that has been the subject of Freedom of Information Act requests.
    The archive appears to be a collection of information put together by the CRU prior to a FoI redaction process.

    This is very important read this souce
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
    The CRU hack
    Filed under:

    * Climate Science

    — group @ 20 November 2009

    As many of you will be aware, a large number of emails from the University of East Anglia webmail server were hacked recently (Despite some confusion generated by Anthony Watts, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Hadley Centre which is a completely separate institution). As people are also no doubt aware the breaking into of computers and releasing private information is illegal, and regardless of how they were obtained, posting private correspondence without permission is unethical. We therefore aren’t going to post any of the emails here. We were made aware of the existence of this archive last Tuesday morning when the hackers attempted to upload it to RealClimate, and we notified CRU of their possible security breach later that day.

    Nonetheless, these emails (a presumably careful selection of (possibly edited?) correspondence dating back to 1996 and as recently as Nov 12) are being widely circulated, and therefore require some comment. Some of them involve people here (and the archive includes the first RealClimate email we ever sent out to colleagues) and include discussions we’ve had with the CRU folk on topics related to the surface temperature record and some paleo-related issues, mainly to ensure that posting were accurate.

    Since emails are normally intended to be private, people writing them are, shall we say, somewhat freer in expressing themselves than they would in a public statement. For instance, we are sure it comes as no shock to know that many scientists do not hold Steve McIntyre in high regard. Nor that a large group of them thought that the Soon and Baliunas (2003), Douglass et al (2008) or McClean et al (2009) papers were not very good (to say the least) and should not have been published. These sentiments have been made abundantly clear in the literature (though possibly less bluntly).

    More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.

    Instead, there is a peek into how scientists actually interact and the conflicts show that the community is a far cry from the monolith that is sometimes imagined. People working constructively to improve joint publications; scientists who are friendly and agree on many of the big picture issues, disagreeing at times about details and engaging in ‘robust’ discussions; Scientists expressing frustration at the misrepresentation of their work in politicized arenas and complaining when media reports get it wrong; Scientists resenting the time they have to take out of their research to deal with over-hyped nonsense. None of this should be shocking.

    It’s obvious that the noise-generating components of the blogosphere will generate a lot of noise about this. but it’s important to remember that science doesn’t work because people are polite at all times. Gravity isn’t a useful theory because Newton was a nice person. QED isn’t powerful because Feynman was respectful of other people around him. Science works because different groups go about trying to find the best approximations of the truth, and are generally very competitive about that. That the same scientists can still all agree on the wording of an IPCC chapter for instance is thus even more remarkable.

    No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded “gotcha” phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the ‘trick’ is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

    The timing of this particular episode is probably not coincidental. But if cherry-picked out-of-context phrases from stolen personal emails is the only response to the weight of the scientific evidence for the human influence on climate change, then there probably isn’t much to it.

    There are of course lessons to be learned. Clearly no-one would have gone to this trouble if the academic object of study was the mating habits of European butterflies. That community’s internal discussions are probably safe from the public eye. But it is important to remember that emails do seem to exist forever, and that there is always a chance that they will be inadvertently released. Most people do not act as if this is true, but they probably should.

    It is tempting to point fingers and declare that people should not have been so open with their thoughts, but who amongst us would really be happy to have all of their email made public?

    Let he who is without PIN cast the the first stone.

    The official leeked files: please removed this if this is illigal is not then just leave it there.

    Leaked files (torrent) (md5sum checked; correct): http://isohunt.com/download/142287641/d942c673f7fb164ec790a763eaad25b1e18986e2.torrent
     
    klkhosting, Nov 22, 2009 IP
  2. Punto

    Punto Banned

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    Thanks for the Sharing Nice Information.
     
    Punto, Nov 23, 2009 IP
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    GamblingGuy Peon

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    Yep global warming is a scam !!

    Amazing how Al Gore is the worlds first eco billionaire from carbon credits. Just a complete sickening global bank robbing elite.
     
    GamblingGuy, Nov 23, 2009 IP
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    RmcStudios Peon

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    Global warming is real and it's happening right now! Just face it.
     
    RmcStudios, Nov 23, 2009 IP
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    klkhosting Well-Known Member

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    Okay if you think and you have a average IQ did they have any cars before the ice age? is a cycle that happened over and over. The world will go on another ice age.
     
    klkhosting, Nov 23, 2009 IP
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    rajesh.ejob Well-Known Member

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    Global warming is real... Don't you see over the climatic changes.. just ask your grand parents or some old people that whether they are seeing a great climate change over past years. I am not sure whether you have faced or heard of Tsunami and great Earth quakes and sea level rise up and fast melting of ice over poles. It is real eye view... What would happen if he burn up all the resources from the earth and make the environment more polluted.
    **************** Plant/water a Tree daily***********
    Thank you.
     
    rajesh.ejob, Nov 23, 2009 IP
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    justinlorder Peon

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    I can't agree with you , The winter is warmer and warmer .
    I feel the global warming.
     
    justinlorder, Nov 24, 2009 IP
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    incomesinternational.com Peon

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    What is this - the year of the dick head? Maybe you missed this paragraph in your own post...

    So how is it that from this information you have miraculously deduced that global warming is a hoax? Perhaps it's because this document you supplied clearly states NO EVIDENCE OF A HOAX, NO EVIDENCE OF A CONSPIRACY.

    But you could be right. Maybe it is a hoax and the comparative photographs of the ice peaks on Kilimanjaro are all doctored photo's. Right?

    OMFG where do you people come from...honestly...your own post and you contradict yourself. Can a person get any more stupid? Actually yes...by replying and saying 'thanks for the great information'.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
     
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    1ddv Peon

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    there are so many global warming statistics out there now that its hard to know really what is true and what is crap
     
    1ddv, Nov 24, 2009 IP
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    ThoughtPunk Active Member

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    Its caused by the sun, the earths tilt, and the precession of the equinox.
     
    ThoughtPunk, Nov 24, 2009 IP
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    skript Active Member

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    Global warming is not fake, we all can feel it. Unfortunately I'm not sure our grand grand nephews will get to feel it. If you know what I mean :(
     
    skript, Nov 24, 2009 IP
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    My point of view is global warming is real and It has already shown really bead effects on us. We should work together to save our planet.
     
    zenoTom, Dec 3, 2009 IP
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    DigitalPoint_Love Peon

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    Global warming is real ... I am really worried about it... We need more and more green....
     
    DigitalPoint_Love, Dec 5, 2009 IP
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    TJ Coldstepper Peon

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    Bang on! You pwned the OP...

    I mean I don't love Al gore and I swear I've never been in the same bed as him. But come on - the man is spreading awareness as much as he can. And it seems to work.

    The max you could go was copy/paste an article from some other site and deduce a totally irrelevant, obnoxious and contradictory theory?
     
    TJ Coldstepper, Dec 5, 2009 IP
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    Shazz Prominent Member

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    LOL a wiki link as a resource, can't get any better....
     
    Shazz, Dec 5, 2009 IP
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    WebCreate&Promote Peon

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    yeah, so many people say it's a scam. Then it should be a really global scam :cool: :)
     
    WebCreate&Promote, Dec 9, 2009 IP
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    klkhosting Well-Known Member

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    True.. is all fake..
     
    klkhosting, Dec 12, 2009 IP
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    thedark Well-Known Member

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    They talk about global warming and i'm facing here a very cold winter...
     
    thedark, Dec 14, 2009 IP
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    ChopSuey Peon

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    Alaska's winters are all the same but this year theres barely any snow at all.
    Global Warming is real.
     
    ChopSuey, Dec 14, 2009 IP
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    Global warming isn't fake!
     
    iAmMassLegend, Dec 14, 2009 IP