Is this cheating?

Discussion in 'Websites' started by nfd2005, Aug 12, 2006.

  1. #1
    Hi all,

    I'm doing some optimization for a client and am researching the competition for the search term "senior care management".

    Ranked #1 in Google is this site: http://www.seniorcaremgt.com/
    I noticed a slight delay, then the site redirects to http://www.seniorcaremgt.com/index.php

    I began to investigate, this is the source code:

    <html>
    
    	<head>
    		<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=iso-8859-1">
    		<title>Senior Care Management</title>		<meta name="generator" content="GoLive CyberStudio 3">
    		<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="1;URL=index.php">
    <meta name="keywords" content="Senior citizens, senior care, elders, elder care, care managements, geriatric, home health care, home health aides, companions, guardianship, guardian, conservator, social work, assessments, care plan, older adults, caregivers, alzheimer&Otilde;s, dementia, home care">
    		<meta name="description" content="If you are concerned about a family member or Senior Citizen who has experienced a decline in mental or physical functioning, Senior Care Management can help. Senior Care Management will sit with you and your family member to determine what assistance is required, and will make arrangements for the appropriate community or residential services. Senior Care Management provides home health aides/companions, nursing visits, bill paying, accompaniment to doctor&Otilde;s appointments and monitoring and supervision to ensure quality services and a safe environment. Senior Care Management will also serve as a court appointed guardian or conservator.">
    	    <style type="text/css">
    <!--
    .style1 {color: #FFFFFF}
    -->
            </style>
    
    	</head>
    
    	<body bgcolor="white" text="black" link="#00009c" vlink="#9c0000">
    	<p class="style1">If you are concerned about a family member or Senior Citizen who has experienced a decline in mental or physical functioning, Senior Care Management can help. Senior Care Management will sit with you and your family member to determine what assistance is required, and will make arrangements for the appropriate community or residential services. Senior Care Management provides home health aides/companions, nursing visits, bill paying, accompaniment to doctor&amp;Otilde;s appointments and monitoring and supervision to ensure quality services and a safe environment. Senior Care Management will also serve as a court appointed guardian or conservator. </p>
    	<p class="style1">Senior citizens, senior care, elders, elder care, care managements, geriatric, home health care, home health aides, companions, guardianship, guardian, conservator, social work, assessments, care plan, older adults, caregivers, alzheimer&amp;Otilde;s, dementia, home care</p>
    	</body>
    
    </html>
    
    HTML:
    Is this what is considered cloaking?

    If you look at the cache, it shows the regular page which is index.php.

    Let me know your thoughts...

    :confused:
    -Allan
     
    nfd2005, Aug 12, 2006 IP
  2. Mong

    Mong ↓↘→ horsePower

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    #2
    No this is not cloaking.
    Cloaking is when you deliever different content for different parties.
     
    Mong, Aug 12, 2006 IP
  3. SkiRat44

    SkiRat44 Peon

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    #3
    Not sure why someone would use a redirect to the same page. Usually this is done to forward one domain to another.
     
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  4. nfd2005

    nfd2005 Well-Known Member

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    Well if you also notice that the text on the page matches the background...
    along with some keywords as well...
     
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  5. tonyrocks

    tonyrocks Active Member

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    #5
    Yeah, this is called keyword padding. Should be illegal in the book-o-google, but looks like they haven't picked up on it :)
     
    tonyrocks, Aug 12, 2006 IP
  6. Nakirema

    Nakirema Peon

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    #6
    If your talking about the Lagre keywords in the center of the page the blends into the background??? Thats Flash, so an SE won't pick that up anyway..
     
    Nakirema, Aug 13, 2006 IP
  7. nfd2005

    nfd2005 Well-Known Member

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    What?!

    FLASH?!

    There isn't any flash in the code?!
     
    nfd2005, Aug 13, 2006 IP
  8. honey

    honey Prominent Member

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    #8
    You are talking on the redirected page, but I think members are discussing the redirection page.
     
    honey, Aug 13, 2006 IP
  9. Nakirema

    Nakirema Peon

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    #9
    Ok, I see what your saying. So basically, they fill the redirect page with keywords and meaty content, then redirect the viewer to the accual index page that is not so content rich.. Wow, sounds shaddy...
     
    Nakirema, Aug 13, 2006 IP
  10. nfd2005

    nfd2005 Well-Known Member

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    See I was wondering why no one else understood why I had a problem with this site....

    So does that work? Meaning does this keyword and meaty content matching the background, then redirecting to the main page work?

    The cache shows the normal page...
     
    nfd2005, Aug 14, 2006 IP
  11. Nakirema

    Nakirema Peon

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    #11
    From my understanding of SEO's that may work.. Maybe like a sitemap.. It uses all the text on the main page to draw the attention of the SE then the SE follows the link on that first page to the main index page.. Took some thought but I don't think it will last for long..
     
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  12. venturefox

    venturefox Notable Member

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    #12
    Well you can see for yourself that it works, is it ethical? Not exactly.. If you are thinking about building up SEO one a website for a client, I would not recommend copying this method. If you want your client's website to do well long term, stick with clean SEO - the #1 position website using blackhat methods could drop from Google at any moment. All it takes is Google to tweak one update and say hello to page number 117.

    This is cloaking if the cache page is showing the main landing page that visitors see.

    Cloaking = Blackhat
    Blackhat = Short-term Results
    Short-term Results = Bad

    Just build up quality (targeted) content, build links and wait
     
    venturefox, Aug 15, 2006 IP
  13. nfd2005

    nfd2005 Well-Known Member

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    #13
    Thanks for the advice.
     
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  14. TatiAnA

    TatiAnA Active Member

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    #14
    Can anyone give a detailed explanation about what cloaking is and any example? Thank you.
     
    TatiAnA, Aug 21, 2006 IP