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lets define freedom

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by mrdesigner77@yahoo.com, Oct 6, 2009.

  1. willybfriendly

    willybfriendly Peon

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    As in , "A [special] advantage, immunity, or right held as a prerogative of status or rank, and exercised to the exclusion or detriment of others."

    I think you confuse freedom with the political philosophy of "liberty".

    I know expanding one's awareness is hard, but try anyway. You might like what you find.
     
    willybfriendly, Oct 7, 2009 IP
  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    I guess I think of it more like having a drivers license. Its a privilege. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp?
     
    Mia, Oct 7, 2009 IP
  3. willybfriendly

    willybfriendly Peon

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    Driver's licenses are earned. You study, pass a written test, practice, pass a driving test, etc. Same as most privileges in life - earned that is. Don't know about you, but as a kid I had to earn privileges, and as a parent my kids earned privileges.

    Neither freedom or liberty are earned. They are not privileges. They are responsibilities.

    If you maturely fulfill your responsibilities, then you may be granted privileges. "Rights" (a concept that troubles me) beget "Responsibilities" beget "Privileges". People that confuse the three often have troubled lives.

    Why are these such difficult concepts for you to grasp?
     
    willybfriendly, Oct 7, 2009 IP
  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Now you are getting it... Freedom like a drivers license is a privilege that is earned. Good job bud!
     
    Mia, Oct 7, 2009 IP
  5. willybfriendly

    willybfriendly Peon

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    Last drivers license I got was anything but free. Lets see, fee for the license, premiums for insurance so I could show proof, fee for the endorsements, etc.

    Freedom is NOT a privilege.

    As previously pointed out - Rights beget Responsibility beget Privilege.

    You continue to confuse liberty with freedom - probably lies at the root of many of the logical and social errors that are so prevalent in your posts.

    Freedom without responsibility is a very dangerous thing.
     
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  6. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    We give power to government, not the other way around. This is how the Constitution is set up.
     
    ncz_nate, Oct 7, 2009 IP
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Thank you.
     
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  8. LogicFlux

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    Freedom is a privilege? Was that a Gestapo saying?
     
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    Freedom has already been defined. It is the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But it has to be done in such a way so as not to hurt on other people's rights for the same things - they too have a right to pursue the same in the same paths. That is the reason why: Smoking in public places is or should be illegal, becoz you are endangering the right to clean air for other people, but pornography cant be blocked or be made illegal, because thats 'none of your business' to 'determine what other people can and cannot look' as long as it does not affect you personally (which is why censorship down down). That is, dont make moral judgements for or on behalf of other people. I dont believe in the concept of countries. Its always people and people.
     
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  10. Reseg

    Reseg Peon

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    Now if the government only knew this lol
     
    Reseg, Oct 8, 2009 IP
  11. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    Well it's bad enough that the government doesn't know it, but what's more disturbing is that mia, a supposed conservative, is making statements that go opposite of this notion.
     
    ncz_nate, Oct 8, 2009 IP
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    Freedom to say "no", not allow and not do what I would not want to happen to me or my loved ones.
     
    smile633, Oct 8, 2009 IP
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    #33
    Freedom today is whatever is given to you by the government, it can be changed at any time and certain aspects revoked and so on.

    That is the freedom most have, it however is not true freedom.

    True freedom in a sentence is roughly:

    the right to do anything you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else
     
    Toopac, Oct 9, 2009 IP