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Do You Approve of Obama's Performance so Far?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by worldman, Mar 13, 2009.

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Do You Approve of Obama's Performance so Far?

  1. Yes

    16 vote(s)
    37.2%
  2. No

    18 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Undecided

    7 vote(s)
    16.3%
  4. Where's my stimulus check?

    2 vote(s)
    4.7%
  1. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    #41
    I just love seeing people think that a free market depends on the government. The US has gone into recessions quite a few times in the past, and each time we come out better off than before. That is, until the government has started shoving their noses into everything. The government IS the problem. Obama is a cardboard cutout of everyone else in Washington (minus that fact he LOOKS black). He's just as corrupt. He said he would pull everyone out of Iraq right away....even the withdrawal that they are going to start doing in a couple of months isn't going to have everyone out. He said he would close Gitmo, but, no one will take the prisoners, and congress won't fund him. He said he would end earmarked bills, but, signs them into law because he's too scared to stand up to the people that bought his presidency YEARS ago. He said he would end waterbording, but, I can guarantee you it still goes on....all the time.

    He has spent more in 100 days than most presidents have in an entire term of office. He said he would cut the deficit at least in half by the end of his first 4 years, but, in fact, his budget was over 1 trillion dollars deficit, the one he just passed alone will cause the deficit to double in 5 years, and triple in 10.

    And, for anyone that thinks the recession started because of Bush, REALLY needs to study up on how our economy works. It started at least 10 years ago...which, if you look at who was in office then, was Clinton....hmmm.

    Isn't Obama the same person that said he would transfrom Washington? Look at his cabinet. All washington insiders. He nominated a freaking tax evador as his treasury secretary. It's all the good old boys club in Washington, and, until you people wake up and stop drinking the kool aide, you will not see it.
     
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  2. kaethy

    kaethy Guest

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    #42
    I can't explain the motives of Turkey, but the incident happened.
    I find it a real pleasure to read this sort of thing, much better than watching W give inappropriate shoulder rubs in Europe.

    http://www.neurope.eu/articles/93926.php

     
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  3. kaethy

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    #43
    Waterboarding claim source please.

    Ask Lily Ledbetter if #3 was major.

    Ask women in third world countries if they need all options available to control the size of their families, and ask them why. I guess some women only want to bear children they can adequately care for. Sounds major to me.

    The minimum wage hadn't been raised in what, 15 years or something? Tell me that's not important to millions of working people.

    You ask for examples, you got 'em, now you want to set some arbitrary limit in your mind as to whether or not the major bills are really major. Why not just admit you don't approve of anything, just because you don't approve of him.

     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #44
    It is as I have said. Prophecy is fulfilled. He is THE ONE! Turkish concerns about cartoons irreverent of islam being allowed publication Dainish media were allayed by President Obama with a simple word of assurance that their concerns would be addressed. Sounds like Turkey, though secular, dances to the jig of their whining Muslims. Thank god Obama is as good as he is!

    "These are not the droids you are looking for"
     
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  5. worldman

    worldman Notable Member

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    #45
    Everytime you raise the minimum wage it causes inflation. There has not been a single time in history that raising the minimum wage has not caused inflation.

    Women suing for equal pay is crap because companies are still able to get around this by having privacy policies and such. Secondly just because you open the door for women to be able to sue for wage differences does not mean they will win the suit. You should know this quite well.
     
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  6. kaethy

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    #46
    So your solution would be to just prevent women suing for equal pay then?
    Just slam the door shut?
    What do you think the correct remedy is for unequal pay?

     
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  7. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #47
    In principal, we need more law suits. It shouldn't be against the law to sue for anything. This makes work for attorneys and our courts, and that will help our employment numbers dramatically. We should also have equal pay between everyone, not just women and men. If there are four machinists, they should all be paid the same, 200 factory workers, same story. Only with truly equal compensation will we be truly equal.

    Edit: By the way, this should apply no matter what company you work for. A marketing specialist for Nike should be paid the same as a marketing specialist for Keds, regardless of race, sex, or employer.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    #48
    Contary to your emotions on the subject, the minimum wage was last raised July 24, 2007 to $5.85.

    http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/blminwage.htm
     
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  9. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    #49
    I agree and disagree with you here. I think wages should not be based on race, sex, etc. but skill and experiance and education in that field. If I have been doing this job for 20 years, but can only get a job as a basic level because of the economy, I still should make more than the guy that is just entering the work force.

    And as usual, people ignore my posts when I post the truth :rolleyes:
     
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  10. worldman

    worldman Notable Member

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    Here is an idea. You know how it is a crime to discriminate against gays and lesbians in the work force? Guess what is an easy way to get around that? Hire your employees as models and not actual workers. Of course there is a clause in the contract that whatever they do that could defame the company that is grounds for firing.

    Basically what I am saying is that lawsuits never fix anything because many of these big companies have million dollar lawyers who can write some of the most elaborate contracts to get around this. I don't know of a way to fix it but suiing almost never helped anyone and more importantly these things drag out in court for years so no one benifits.
     
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    #51
    But that applies to anything, doesn't it, Worldman? It seems to me that if we're talking about what all of us must rely on, namely, remedies within the law (with the alternative, saying, "screw it - I'm acting outside the law to exact whatever justice I deem is right and proper"), we're stuck with what the law offers us. To simply roll over in the face of a company or individual flouting the law results in ... nothing. Nothing changes, and injustice prevails.
     
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    worldman Notable Member

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    #52
    We live in a capatalist society. Get over it! Until the last electioin I was leaning closer to the Republican party but after seeing what both the GOP and dems have done I would rather have a libertarian government (of course that's not gonna happen) then have any one of these jokers in the white house.

    All you are interested in is having the big companies bow to the demands of every worker. Well guess what they have to survive and I can guarantee you that if I ever start my company, there will be no compensation for gay couples and there will be a "don't ask, don't tell policy."

    I'm sick and tired of living in a country where gays have more rights then hetrosexuals. By the time Obama leaves the whitehouse it will be a criminal offense to say you do not agree with the lifestyle of a homosexual.
     
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    #53
    I'm not sure what you're issue is, Worldman - you said lawsuits never fix anything, and I was responding to that; namely, in a nation of laws, the courts are our recourse...are they not? Are we to pick and choose when we abide by law, and when we don't - is this what you're advocating?

    As to the other stuff - I've never really found myself wanting to lose my love for boobs and other female attributes by the multi-millenia-old existence of homosexuals in our species. I suppose as long as someone doesn't harm me or mine, I couldn't care less.
     
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    worldman Notable Member

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    #54
    What I am saying is it is useless to try and go to the courts. As much as I like capitalism and wouldn't trade it for anything, I have to say it has a weakness in the judicial system mainly because big companies can get away with murder. Big examples are Enron, Microsoft, Madoff, AT&T, Verizon and others.

    Legitimate complaints have been brought up about these companies and they almost always settle out of court or have the cases dropped. The major problem with our current court system is very few people actually know how it operates and big companies are able to exploit loopholes.

    Do you really believe a little secretary will be able to succeed in a suite against the giant AT&T involving pay discrimination? The only way she will have a chance is if it gets class action status and that is harder said then done.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #55
    People win lawsuits against major companies all the time. Do you not read the news?
     
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    worldman Notable Member

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    What's the percentage though.....?
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #57
    First of all, that is a meaningless question. Some win, some lose. Some deserve to win, some deserve to lose. Some that deserve to win, nonetheless lose. Some that deserve to lose, nonetheless win. The point is that your premise was completely faulty, lacks both logic and objectivity.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    worldman Notable Member

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    Its quite ironic you'd be the one pissed when you obviously had nothing to back up your faulty claims. Have a nice day with yout noobishness...:D
     
    worldman, Jun 3, 2009 IP