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Discussion in 'General Marketing' started by dturnbull, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. #1
    Here is my own little guide on how not to advertise a website.

    Spam
    Any form of spam will give your site bad credibility. I remember a statistic that only 0.00001% of people actually buys products through those e-mails with subjects like “Buy Cheap Viagra!!!!” – so spam doesn’t convert that well. There isn’t just e-mail spam, all forms of spam: blog comment spam, forum spam, digg.com spam and all the other ways to get your site noticed. The only real exception to this is MySpace Spam.

    Auto-Surf
    What is Auto-Surf? Basically, you leave your web browser running and it visits a bunch of sites and each time you view a site you get ‘credit’. You can use this ‘credit’ to have people view your site in just the same way. The thing is, people are never at the computer whilst doing this, making auto-surfing fairly pointless, unless you want to inflate your stats.

    Traffic-Exchanges
    Very similar to auto-surfing, except it isn’t automatic. You have to manually click “Next Site” with each site you view, making this more reliable than auto-surfing, but you could be using this time for something a lot more useful. All in all – stay away from traffic exchanges and auto-surfing.

    Link Farms
    Link Farms or FFA Link Pages are simply a page dedicated to try and boost your Google Pagerank, now Google isn’t that stupid. Sites that are noticed using link farms or FFA pages will be penalized or banned from Google. I am not talking about a web directory, they’re fine, I’m talking about just 1 page, where you can add your link, and that’s it’s only purpose.

    Paid Traffic
    Those deals that say $3.99 for 1000 visitors are worthless – they are usually either:

    * Pop Up Traffic
    * Fake Traffic from the same source
    * Other unwanted Source

    Paid Traffic is 100% useless (no, I don’t mean PPC) – stay away.

    Article is from My Blog
     
    dturnbull, Jul 13, 2006 IP
  2. Correctus

    Correctus Straight Edge

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    #2
    Good little guide, really appreciate it for increment of knowledge.

    Most of it is common sense, but it is appreciable that you took the time to put it together in a nice way.

    Also include Chat room spam in the Spam area. It is also a bad way to advertise. I will think up of more suggestions for this little guide soon

    IT
     
    Correctus, Jul 14, 2006 IP
  3. dturnbull

    dturnbull Guest

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    #3
    Thanks for the comments. I like writing "common-sense" guides, as usually the simple stuff is what people forget.
     
    dturnbull, Jul 14, 2006 IP
  4. Fahd

    Fahd Well-Known Member

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    Allow me to add popups to your list!
     
    Fahd, Jul 14, 2006 IP
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    infonote Well-Known Member

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    #5
    Good summary especially for beginners
     
    infonote, Jul 14, 2006 IP
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    yep, good summary, sometimes its quite shocking that people just leave out their common sense, especially those into paid traffic etc. I wish they'd stop to think..
     
    AnaB, Jul 14, 2006 IP
  7. Andreas Bard

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    #7
    That is really a helpfull "beginners guide", but of course spam and such are quite common sense not to use.

    //Andreas
     
    Andreas Bard, Jul 15, 2006 IP
  8. rezx

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    #8
    if i have a collection of contacts from my im contacts and put up a forward not to all of them...will it b considered as spam?
     
    rezx, Jul 15, 2006 IP
  9. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    Yep!

    You are quite right. All them forms of advertising you mentioned is a waste of time and don't get you anywhere.
     
    john269, Aug 8, 2006 IP
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    tigrrra Well-Known Member

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    lol good advice i boght some traffic a while back when i was a noob and it didnt help at all its all a scam... anyone want to buy some traffic? lol jk
     
    tigrrra, Aug 8, 2006 IP
  11. HideIp

    HideIp Active Member

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    Good list you got there.
     
    HideIp, Aug 8, 2006 IP
  12. andre75

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    #12
    I still don't quite see the difference to web directories, except that they have more than 1 page. Otherwise its all just links. So how does google know the difference (if any) between a Link Farm of hm, lets say 20 pages and a web directory with 20 categories?
     
    andre75, Aug 8, 2006 IP
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    ablaye Well-Known Member

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    Why is Myspace spam the only exception for spam that works? Can you elaborate more?
     
    ablaye, Aug 8, 2006 IP
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    tigrrra Well-Known Member

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    i think that google know because on each page all the content is consistent meaning that they are all related knowing that google categorizes as a directory and not a link farm. link farm normally have unrelated sites on the same page. at least that's what i think
     
    tigrrra, Aug 8, 2006 IP
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    munt Peon

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    #15
    i dont see a difference between myspace spam and email spam and all those others listed... both are unwanted by reciever and are spam
     
    munt, Aug 8, 2006 IP
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    That would mean someone could enter their competitor site on a link farm and penalize them? I don't think so.
     
    andre75, Aug 8, 2006 IP
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    No, you won't get penalized by having your url on a site recognized by Google as a linkfarm. You just won't get any benefit from it either. Read Google's webmaster guidelines for more info.
     
    cornetto, Aug 9, 2006 IP
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    munt Peon

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    #18
    no single oneway link (or group of links) will harm your position in google
    thats right from googles mouth
     
    munt, Aug 9, 2006 IP
  19. OutBackPro3

    OutBackPro3 Peon

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    Ah, but what about some actual stats to back up what is being said?
    I disagree 100% with the email spam being worthless... I have tried it and found it to be the Very Best way to draw members to your site...
    Secondly, traffic by itself is worhtless... Drawing from MySpace, which is mainly 19 year olds and below is of little value to most sites.... Just traffic with no results.
    Below is some "real" data I have tracked regarding my own site promotions...
    Note the SPAM email results!
    Some of the advise given is "right on the mark"... "some is totally wrong"


    Press Release: Done thru “Professionals” = $600.00 = ( 0 ) new members.
    Banner ad on a forum with 225,000 members. The Forum limits the number of ads run each month so that your ad is shown over 1,000,000 times in a month. = $500/month = (10 ) new members.
    Banner ad on a forum with 32,000 members. = $450/month = ( 15 ) - new members.
    Banner ad on a forum with 25,000 members. = $450/year = ( 22 ) new members.
    After spending the $$$, I found this article: Headline of article printed in USA Today… 3/26/2006 = “Screaming banner ads get little notice” Conclusion at end of article = “The study presented echoes the findings of an earlier study that reported “Consumers are Blind to Banner Ads”

    Google ad words: $200.00 for ppc program…ran about a month = ( 0 ) new members.

    Started and ran my own email program (SPAM). I sent a very honest offer, letting the recipient know a little about the site and a link to it. I complied with all of the CAN-SPAM regulations. Results = Total emails sent ( 101,366 )
    Returned/improper address ( 43,135 )
    Request to “remove” from future mailings ( 316 )
    Complaints sent to ISP ( 10 )
    New Members signed: ( 1,696 )… AOL had my site cancelled because of 3 complaints, I had to move to another Registrar and Hosting company.
    As the results were so good and I did not want my site shut down again, I decided to spend the money and pay the list brokers on the internet to send a mailing to their “Opt-In” list.
    Results:
    Purchased opt-in email list (sent by the Seller) $100.00 for 50,000 = ( 0 ) new members. I was able to get my money back.
    Purchased opt-in email list (sent by the Seller) $100.00 for 25,000 = ( 0 ) new members. I was able to get my money back.
    Purchased opt-in email list (sent by the Seller) $650.00 for 500,000 = ( 0 ) new members. I was able to get my money back.
    Purchased a pop-under program… $50.00 for 25,00 pop-under ads = ( 0 ) new members.
    Contacted three of the top rated opt-in email list brokers…. (Sit down for this one) Quotes for mailing were: $4,000, $4,500 & $6,000 to mail to 50,000!!! (Each list comes with a toll-free number to the nearest bankruptcy attorney at no additional charge!)
     
    OutBackPro3, Aug 9, 2006 IP
  20. tigrrra

    tigrrra Well-Known Member

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    so email program (SPAM) was the one that worked the best
     
    tigrrra, Aug 9, 2006 IP