New SPAM sites...billions of results!!!!

Sweet poetry . I actually read a few of them, some don't sound too bad


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Thanks.

Did I show you my random seo essays site yet...?

-Michael

 

they were banned!

 

Dude, it's a 923 post thread about spam... they who???

-Michael

 

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and so on!!!!

 

And yet if I pulled some stunt like that every page would be in supp hell. or worse deindexed for spam. "Authority Site" my @$$!

 

If you click on different ones, each one is PR4, and the only difference in each page is the persons name.

 

Now suppose we found a subdomain URL like: tr478r.4ff5g.com doing that sort of thing?

Would we call it spam?

 

But if it's about.com...that's OK in da eyes of Google!!!!!

 

uhh they're all bringing up different things for me...

http://generalhospital.about.com/library/pcrecaps/blpcrecaps010202a.htm

http://generalhospital.about.com/library/recaps/bl100302a.htm

http://generalhospital.about.com/library/pcrecaps/blpcrecaps081302a.htm

 

Which exactly is why they are having such a hard time with this latest exploit/loophole/technique. Anything that algorithmically removed the subdomain spam would systematically delist junk like about.com and ebay wouldnt be far behind as far as worthless content. It has always been and always will be google's right to ban anything they want based on their stated goals, but they have also stated that no one can buy themselves into the index. The simple fix is to have an algo that bans the subdomain spam and then manually ADD about.com, but that would be a tremendous change in philosophy for google to add exceptions to included a site vs. removing millions of sites.

Getting rid of the home page indexed right away phenoma would also go against the company line of many years. For honest sites they couldnt just stonewall anymore and say, "we know about your site, see, theres your home page" but wait till you get some 'quality links' and we'll index more of it. The sandbox is an ever present effect of their algo that other engines don't suffer, but webmasters have learned to adapt. Removing the home page from a site would probably cause a revolt of sorts. It would be easy to point to countless examples where google has become dated and is slow to index when compared to competitor A and B. Aknowledging a sites exisitance by indexing one page vs. ignoring it completely for the duration of the sandbox would be a tough change to institute.

The basis for all of this of course is that PR is a flawed system that no longer works in today's web. It was a great idea in the dorm room a decade ago when the web was much smaller. But today's voters are a very very very small amount of the traffic (ie. 99% of searchers have no web publishing ability at all, compared to a decade ago when the number was much higher) What the actual users would find "valuable, trustworthy, etc" cannot simply be judged by the amount of links as the ones giving out the links are the very people trying to game the system. It's a design that is bound to fail based upon the fact that the ones who benefit the most (web owners) are the ones who dole out the currency (links) google is the annointed account who gets to count which and how many links are important. Not unlike adsense which is also destined to failure by design, which is more and more present every day by the MFA sites. Anyone that has published sites with adsense knows that the best paying pages are not the best designed pages. In order to be successful you need to have your visitor wanting more information, thus clicking away from your site. Good sites are not rewarded, but rather penalized with lower CTR etc.

I'm not pretending to have the answers, if I did I be the one taking the $1 a year salary for my new company. Google is rewriting their changes to fix the changes they made, its a mess that will only get worse, but not because of spammers, webmasters, or even the desire to capilize on the interenet, but because with all of their phd wisdom on designing a scalable system to handle "all of the worlds information" they forgot to check if the actual system would still work when scaled up.

So now they crank up the levels needed to get fully indexed with bugdaddy, maybe now you need some PR6 links instead a PR5, but that's just inflation, it's not actully adding anything to the "economy" of website ranking. Next year you'll need the equivalent amount of PR7s, where does it end? Inflation is a symptom of bad economic balance not a cure.

Finally, Google is broke. Not today, not on the 27th, and not during all of the previous updates, but from the beginning when the consideration was not taken to account for the effects of an exponentially growing internet and the real value of "links" or "value" or "votes" or whatever buzzword they are using this week being distributed by the ones who depend on them the most. About.com is just as much spam as 443dlfs.saddi7sd.info is spam, just with more links.

 

Excellent post, johnweb. Welcome to DigitalPoint.

 

Yes Johnweb is definately going to be an asset of DigitalPoint.

 

Johnweb - fantastic post!!! This is what many of the members here have been trying to say for a significant amount of time. The whole concept of PR is flawed. MFA sites are showing higher PR where ligitimate sites and authorative organizations are seldom showing anything above a PR3.

I mention several of my thoughts here:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1064809&postcount=120

 

I am impressed with his post!! Junk is junk no matter what the website is!

 

What a way to make an entrance! Thanks

 

Yup .. We may have a new contestant for the Member of the week Rob

 

Talk is cheap. Back it up with some green rep.

When you see substance instead of the usual General Chat crap, reward it!

 

I DID .. But I usually don't brag about it

 

I did aswell ...