So I applied to be an editor....

I think he is helping by pointing out that links ARE being sold. Sadly there are very few editors willing to accept that there are completed transactions for ODP listings on sites like Scriptlance... though there does not seem to be a lack of editors standing up to say that he does not know what he's talking about, even though he's linked to several of those completed transactions.

The answer is likely someplace in the middle. Most editors likely do not accept money and are good outstanding citizens... but the keyword there is MOST.

If as much time was put into seeking out what sites are paid listings as has been put into dissing gworld, maybe he'd not have as much to post about?

 

They don't need to spend much time to find the identity of the senior editors who are behind most of the corruption. It is not a mystery, in fact it is quite an open "secret" inside ODP. The problem is that those people who open their eyes too much and start to protest, either have to quit on their own or they will get rid of them.
This only leaves editors who are willing to go along with corruption and abuse of directory. The corruption in DMOZ is organizational and systematic and that is the reason, no change from inside is possible.

 

I think I have a permanent learning curve when it comes to becoming a DMOZ editor. Applied many times denied all. Total honesty within the application. My denial is always we are afraid you are going to use the site for personal gain. How do you get past this?

 

good luck and enjoy your wasting time , I have an personal similar experience ( I applied only once - and was enough for me to understand ). If you really wanna do some volunteer work try and get in touch with local red cross organization or go to any charity clubs from your town !

 

I've looked and neither of the emails declining your 2009 applications said that specifically. They were both the generic lists of common reasons, one or more of which will apply.

- Declare all associated websites.
- Provide three appropriate unlisted examples, not more than one of which is associated with you.

You might also like to study this good advice.

 

Someone who openly boasts that they have had 10 ODP accounts, that means you lied and lied and lied and lied (x9) to get those accounts and you say you want to stamp out corruption. Well one of the ways to do that in ODP is for you to stay away now and not lie again.

How do you expect us to believe or take seriously anything that you say with that self confessed track record.

gworld mounts campain to stamp out corruption at ODP. ROFL

 

You do realize that also applies to a few of the editors here with multiple accounts? It also kind of applies to you... how do you expect people to take your word for things concerning the ODP when you hide behind your name here?

 

Jim can I ask at this point something ? .... '' declare all associated websites '' means all developed sites by someone ? all domains bought by a someone ? all sites which i sold over the time ? all sites which I`m planning ( not not even have plans to develop ? )

This sentence is driving me crazy , I hope you understand a thing ( and the one who made this rule can understand it too ) , for example I have a small web design company ( outsourcing some of my work - to reduce the costs ... ) over last 5-6 years I think I delivered for different customers more than 4500 sites - some of them with domains and everything , other ones just the source codes , others only adjustments and '' fine tuning '' ... , IF by this sentence you mean to declare all my previous work ( at least which I have records about it ... ) I can suspect you guys wanted to get my database with past ( and maybe future customers ) ...
If by this sentence asking all domains registered ( or connected from the registrar records ) with me / or thru my referral can you ( or the one who made this rule ) understand some things like : I had over the same time frame period more than 2500 domains registered ? shall I need to fill them all under my editor application ? - since some of my customers didn't wanted and cant afford to pay for the '' private registrations '' there's also a risk for me to make public this list with domains since some of real info from my customers can be on '' wrong '' hands there and I cant make them public without asking them first ...


I don't know if you remember from where this conversation started ( when I started to be interested about odp directory ) ... under the category where I '' suggested '' first time on my life one site , its less than a month , I keep checking this particular category often , actually I reported two of the links from this category under RZ forums . So ... this particular category got grow by 6 new and great sites within a month or so .. most of them are '' powered by *SAME PHP SCRIPT * name is not made public now by me just because I consider not worth to mention there '' can be this any connection ? when i`m saying most of them I think 90% or maybe more of this sites from this category use same script ( actually I have it tested too and is really crap - not worth to fight with other peoples bugs so I decided to take other script ) ...

If i`m analyze all this information and put them together means : Easy way to have one website listed on dmoz is to look about one category , check the sites , see if you find any connection between the scripts used , go at the script official site , buy an legal license and you have it listed there easy and nice work ! Also same thing can be '' worth to try '' to register domains using information from sites which are already registered there and seems to be ticked like permanent listings .. *( see the example of the links which I refer before , the spam links sites listed there at ODP ... ) an easy way is just to use any free whois record and look about the registrars records , loads of domains not using private registrations ... showing editors same info like used by the '' ticked '' listings can dramatically increase the chance of the listings ...

 

Why on earth would you want to know that information, you have said that you will not make another application and we all now know what you think of DMOZ? http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1220355

 

wanted to have just a answer to one of the biggest and confusion questions around since the earth begin ... How is possible for peoples to claim the editorial applications are human reviewed and feedback's with recommendations are give out when I got my email with reject within 73 minutes , getting an automatically send email with nothing serious or particular write it , not even a damn it pixel write by an human ... and since I have loads respect for for Jim thinking hes one of the senior's who can light me on this serious issue , note please I didn't said on this post I`m wanna apply again ever for editor , I just wanted to have a point clear of view ...

 

Well I just reapplied (like the 7th time) This time I gave them like 100 web assets, which were websites, domain names, former domain names, websites of current employers, websites of past employers, domain names and websites that I used to own but don't own anymore. At this point if they tell me I didn't disclose something then they know more about me than I do.

 

I'm sure they know more then you do, but sadly they can't tell you just what that is due to the confidentiality guidelines

 

is a police officer who lies to infiltrate Mafia a corrupt person?

DMOZ in many ways very similar to an organized crime organization, so to lie and try to hide your true identity, not only permissible but even advisable and recommended.

 

You know its hard to present any evidence to prove all the accusations you are making and I have read what you believe to be evidence but from a court of law perspective you have nothing, from a benefit of the doubt perspective you have nothing and from a "there has to be bad apples in every bunch" perspective you MAY have something.

I don't know how many ODP editors there are (and based on your 10 fake accts there may be less than anyone thinks) but if there are 500 real people than the chances of 5 of them being corrupt, dishonest, holding 10 accounts, etc are very good and if that's the case then it should not come as any surprise to anyone. Geez as a citizen of the U.S. I am sure I am putting up with a higher percentage than that from my government.

Anyway I have been on this forum many times being critical of ODP but for very different reasons than you have. You are claiming corruption and I on many occasions have claimed that they are not serving the interest of the users nor the mission statement. I have made my arguments and you have made yours, the issue is that at some point there is only two things you can do about it and that is you can WORK to change it or you can shut up.

There are two ways you can work to change it:

1. Become an editor and make it better.
2. Catch them at the corruption you claim and get the bad apples out.

because at same point the whining and complaining is just that and everyone gets sick of hearing it.

 

SEVEN TIMES? you must be kidding and I tough I`m getting bored will worth to lose some time with this . Can I recommend you friendly and honestly something ? Of course no offense please but I truly believe you must consult one psychologist , persevering on mistakes aren't good for anyone never .

Of course they know they are feeling on the toilette on the morning ! JUST you and anyone else cant trace even 2 of my sites even if I`m giving you the registrar names , you know why ? because I`m truly believe almost all editors from odp are there just with the name '' to be pro '' even if you consider this an offense isn't and let me to tell you why , starting from the biggest lie which is stated on this subject ( ''the directory is build from passion and volunteer for the visitors '' - this is most pathetic and cheap advertising text ever seen ) this directory is build and maintained JUST for seo propose ( and that's just because the folks from Google use it - after them other little puppies who's claiming to have a search engine ) none is interested about this directory ( or any other one ) except the webmasters / developers / promoters and so on ... ( tech peoples who are working online ) , the fact you or anyone else is '' volunteer '' work there raise serious suspicious connection between the term of '' truth '' / '' honestly '' , and real sense of '' volunteer work '' !
Claiming to have tools which aren't exist ( or it seems they aren't work if they exist ) .... claiming to have rules which is obviously not followed , and so on raising also suspicious questions and so on ...

 

Let me see, most likely you think that making this post will help you to get your editor account and then you can list all your sites.

Well, it doesn't work that way. It will be a long time before you will have editing rights in any reasonable category.

Can I ask based on what experience you make recommendations on how to fix ODP? Have you been an editor? Do you have access to internal forum to read what has happened or hasn't happened? How many of editors do you personally know or how much do you know about the history of ODP and the persons who have been involved?

May I suggest, you wait with your recommendation until at least you get your editor application approved.

 

Well just to be clear, having a decent understanding of the directory, of the 30 or 40 active sites I have, only one of them is actually what I would consider worthy of a listing, and in my application (or maybe in my 5 and 6th application) I say straight up that the first thing I am going to do is add it to the directory. Seems like no one had a problem with that and they shouldn't because it belongs there. And in my last application I said this was may last attempt at applying and if they turn me down well then there is probably an issue there. We shall see.

I am really not here to debate getting approved as an editor, but the old I.S. term GIGO (garbage in garbage out) seems to be why most people dont get approved on the first go round. That's probably a good thing.

ANYHOW......I am mature enough to see both sides of a story, yet you, the secret mafia infultrator who had 10 accounts, spew all this stuff about how corrupt ODP is and yet you had access to all this internal stuff and I don't see any screen prints or hard evidence all I see is hearsay and stuff of that nature.

Are there people in ODP who are not honest, yes there has to be at least one, just by the power of statistics, are they all corrupt? Hell no. You know why? Because if they were there would be a lot more sites being entered to ODP everyday and I can tell you for sure that there are categories that are so stagnant that I can smell the mold from here. If there were links to sell to everyone wouldnt the damn site be a money machine? Wouldn't all the meta guys be popping links in everywhere? My beef is that there are not enough good links being added in most places which my claim can be backed up very easily and because it can it sort of knocks your claim out of the water or at least makes it highly doubtful that everyone is on the take at ODP.

Just my opinion

 

Thats 7 times over at least a year, and for me now its a challenge and to prove a point that it can be done or to prove that the process is fair and unbiased.

Shame on me that a few times I applied and not getting the definition of "affiliated with a site" I gave only what I thought was relevant. Turns out I don't get to decide what is relevant. So this last application I gave them a list that while 90% of it is irrelevant in my eyes (employer websites, past employers web sites blah blah) but now they have a comprehensive list, now we shall see.

Stay tuned.

 

Considering the type of garbage listed in ODP, you must be the worst webmaster ever if you really think that only one of your sites should be listed.

It is very interesting how "mature" people will become when they are trying to get accepted as editor.
If you spent some time and read my old posts, you would have seen where I posted the discussions from the internal forum. You would have also seen that I have shown proof about being editor to people who really mattered in this discussion such as some of the active editors.

This is so ...... that I don't know what to say about it. Do you realize that only certain parts of ODP such as shopping, pharmacy, real estate, porn and gambling are of any commercial value and nobody gives a damn about some small town in the middle of nowhere listings, don't you?
How about next time you wait and learn about the subject before having an "opinion"?

 

I can have an opinion any time I wish, opinions evolve just like everything else. Well almost everything else.

Not the worst webmaster, have a lot of old sites that I don't maintain, have a lot of sites that are affiliate marketing sites, you may think they are worthy, I don't, they serve their purpose. If you have a pig in a poke and you add another pig it's two pigs in a poke and nothing better.

My speculation on why you are no longer an editor gets more interesting everyday.