US is fighting a lost battle in afganistan

As you might have heard that Pakistan has given full control of it's swat region to Taliban . All talibans will get a safe heaven in swat region of Pakistan, Pakistan will not allow other countries to attck it's soveriegnity , so Taliban can grow safe and in few years gulp whole of pakistan.

 

Bush was playing it smart in Afganistain. The key is to keep US troop levels at a substainable level. The Russians had over 100,000 troops there and Russian boots touched every inch of the country. It may take 100 years to win. But hey, US troops are still in Japan, Germany and South Korea.

A troop surge won't work as you pointed out the taliban have safe haven in Pakistain. It will bea slow process to weed them out with predator drones.

 

Do you think Russia is not gonna be in the picture somehow. If you remember it was because of our help that the afgans threw out the russians from afganistan.

 

It's in Russia benefit that the US win in Afganistain. Otherwise the extremism spreads to the former Soviet Union and Southern Russia.

 

Battle against which enemy exactly? Terrorism or Muslims?

Whether this or that, since actions were speaking much louder than words, the battle was lost long ago when US administration succeeded in convincing the American public that these wars were against terrorism and at the same time failed to convince Afghani, Pakistani, and Iraqi people that these wars are not against them.

 

Pakistain is becoming a failed state alongside Afganistain.

The majority of Iraqi's support the US overthrow of Saddam and the bathist regime. The No. 1 victims of Saddam were muslim Kurds and Shi'tes.

 

There will then be another puppet regime like the one we set up in iran as we killed democracy there. I dont think Russia would look at it in the way that fox news or the history channel would see it. There is terrorism, but i have a feeling that it will be a puppet military regime that we setup there in its place. Or we can have our awesome Unocal guy Karzai do our bidding more
The taliban got powerful from us. Who will be the next group that we arm there or the puppet regime?
Plus where did you get those stats from?

 

US troops are stationed all over Europe because we are to stupid to develop a true united army to defend ourselves from our common enemies. France and Germany are both to blame.

When it comes to Afghanistan, it's another story. The US must keep that area protected because the country is a strategic location where future oil pipes will probably going to be built.

 

Obama OKs about 17,000 more troops for Afghanistan

A nice 50% increase in troops...

 

QUOTE=Emperor;10656760]US troops are stationed all over Europe because we are to stupid to develop a true united army to defend ourselves from our common enemies. France and Germany are both to blame.

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France and Germany like a free ride. US troop increases to Afganistain will allow them to withdraw their forces.

US already has 32,000 troops in Afganistain.

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US needs to increase the size of the Afganistain Army. I would re-equip the Northern Alliance with either old M-48 or M-60 tanks or buy surplus T-62 Tanks from Russia.

Increase special forces to harrass Taliban and al Qaeda.

Fight the war more cheaply. There are already plans for a prop fighter bomber similiar to a P-51 mustang that will have long range, firepower and will cost 10% of what it costs us now to provide aircover.

Total ISAF troop strength as of July 2007 was 41,000, with 37 nations contributing troops. Contingents were led by the United States (14,750), the United Kingdom (6,500), Germany (3,000), Canada and Italy (2,500 each), the Netherlands (1,300), Turkey (1,200) and Poland (1,075). Contingents for all other contributing nations are below 1,000 troops, and some—Austria, Ireland, Iceland, Switzerland—are below 10. The 41,000 troop total for the ISAF includes approximately 6,450 so-called national contingent commands, or supporting troops that may not be in Afghanistan.

France currently has about 1,600 troops in Afghanistan as part of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), most of them deployed around the capital Kabul.

The Afghan army in 2007 numbered 32,000 troops, the Afghan national police at 61,000.

Afghanistan — Population: 32,738,376 (July 2008 est.)

 

I was thinking about it today and was just wondering if the Americans here knew that there is a US air base in Portugal, the Azores islands. That's the base where those big carriers refuel and where the CIA planes stopover in their way to Guantanamo bay (it created quite a stir in Portugal when we found out).

If you would like to know more about American influence over the world, there is a very book you can read. It's called " The Grand Chessboard" by Zbigniew Brezezinski. In this book you can read about Afganistan and many other geostrategic areas which are very important for America.

 

Sure I know about it.

Isn't Portugal in NATO?

 

Portugal was a founding member. Now get this, when we were still in a Dictatorship

 

It could have been worse. NATO saved Western Union frpm Soviet style communism. It's eaisy to sit in a cafe, sip some wine and blame OTAN and Reagan/Bush for your troubles.

 

I posted several polls in another thread. Search my username with the words "poll" and "iraq".

Pong are you sure you're not Iranian? Every other post of yours mentions the 'US killing democray in Iran'. Why are you so obsessed with it that it seems relevant to every thread for you?

And explain to me why we helped Iraq develop a representative democracy as their system of government if our goal was to create a puppet, since a dictatorship is much more easier to control?

 

Exactly, which is now they admitted it was a big mistake, now US is doing the same thing, noone knows when they come up to the same conclusion. I honestly still dont get what USSR and US were doing there and doing now.

woot, woot How come I didnt see any NATO soldier on my border then?) And what has changed since then? NATO & Russia are still the enemies if you ask me. If you call the former soviet union states as a west? Oh, well, they arent the WEST even now on their own, plus they live much worse than Russia, thus they flooding to work in Russia.

If we would captured Germany, UK, France or any other western country and NATO then rescued them - then your statement would be ideal. But as we know that didnt happen and wasnt even close to happen.

 

The Taliban are a cancer that need to be controlled. The only way to destroy them it to go into Pakistain whch will worse that fighting a low intensity fight.

The Northern Aliiance doesn't wasnt the Taliban either and is a good starting point for the US.

Nato isn't the enemy of Russia. Russia got drunk on oil money and now they are waking up to a hangover. Iran and Venezuela looked like good freinds at the time, but now they are broke.

Russia and the US should be cooperating on the extremist threat. Al Queda will just as well join with the Chechens and start bombing Russia next.

 

Whether we like it or not, the only solution to this 'lost war' is through negotiations. Afghanistan has never been conquered from foreign armies, the example of soviet union is there. The problem with America and Westerners is that they think every person with a turban, a long beard and gun in his hand is taliban and alqaeda member, and they kill him. the fact is that every person there (Good or bad) has got guns, coz they defend themselves from the militants and others.

And another major misunderstanding is that every person attacking Nato or US troops is not Taliban and Alqaeda, some guys are simply fighting them coz they don't want foreign occupation. As long as US keeps droping bombs on madressahs and wedding halls in Afghanistan, civilians will continue to join Taliban.

 

Pakistan ISI train and equipe taliban, then send them inside afghanistan.

When they do their jobs inside afghanistan they rush back to pakistan and rest for a while....

A stable and powerfull afghanistan is not good for pakistan, reason is durand line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_Line

 

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