#4 out of 62,100,000 in 1 week

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Cbrooker, Jan 16, 2009.

  1. finweek

    finweek Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Of course google is giving some start of all new sites
    I felt this many times, but actually after only a little time it is really breaking. You should wait about 4 months and when the google traffic is back it will be permanent
     
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  2. Cbrooker

    Cbrooker Active Member

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    #22
    But this contradicts what everyone is saying about the existence of a the Google Sandbox. It cannot be both ways.
     
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  3. youzoogle

    youzoogle Peon

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    #23
    Congrats Mate! . . . I have had similar results, but my lowest is 3 weeks.
     
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  4. vstar

    vstar Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Ok, here's the real deal on your keyword:link Reputation

    There are only about 18,000 web pages that you are competing with, see the results here:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="link+Reputation"&btnG=Search

    Of those 18,000 webpages, only 1,240 webpages have those 2 words somewhere in the URL and only 182 of those webpages have those 2 keywords together in the URL

    See examples here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=allinurl:link+Reputation&start=90&sa=N

    And Here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=allinurl:"link+Reputation"&btnG=Search

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    Of those 18,000 webpages, only 975 webpages have those 2 words somewhere in the TITLE and only 318 of those webpages have those 2 keyword together in the TITLE

    See examples here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=allintitle:link+Reputation&start=130&sa=N

    And Here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=allintitle:"link+Reputation"&btnG=Search

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    I hate to rain on your parade but Google's keyword tool shows a search volume of Only 28 searches for that exact key phrase in the last 30 days (that's less than 1 per day):eek:

    Looking at the figures above, from an Seo's perspective... there is really very little competition for the key phrase link reputation

    Without patting myself on the back... I could get onto page ONE for that key phrase within a day (possibly within hours) ;)

    Take Care,
    Vstar
     
    vstar, Jan 18, 2009 IP
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  5. prasunsen

    prasunsen Peon

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    #25
    It can be both ways. Google lets new site ranks good for few days, then drops them into the sandbox. I have no idea what's the reason.
     
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  6. Cbrooker

    Cbrooker Active Member

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    #26
    If you read the article, it states almost exactly what you said. That's why I said in the article "This is not as great as it appears on the surface."

    What I was trying to illustrate is that dig deeper when you see some strange things happening like this, that there's much more than meets the eye.
     
    Cbrooker, Jan 18, 2009 IP
  7. sultanofseo

    sultanofseo Notable Member

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    #27
    you are right, it doesn't really matter how many search results a specific term returns, it is how big the compitition is and how many searches there are for the given term. more searches for a term on a monthly basis, harder the compitition is.

    also, getting ranked on top in a week is not something anyone want to achive, it is to hold a ranking that will be sustained over the course of time. sites/pages that get ranked on the fly usually dont hold the ranking and fall like dead bird. however, it also means that you are right on and with some efforts and link building, you can get ranked well for the targeted term.
     
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  8. Cbrooker

    Cbrooker Active Member

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    #28
    I agree there sultanofseo. Maintaining the ranking for keywords that will prove profitable is the key. My whole reason for writing the article was to indicate that getting ranked well is pretty much useless if it's not profitable and not going to be sustained.

    What I have noticed however, is that the article will rank higher just after the Google spider is on the site, and then within an hour or so, it drops in ranking, generally 4 or 5 spots. I'm guessing that happens as Google compares this to other articles with related content, perhaps linking power etc.

    Still, I find this very facinating.
     
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  9. vstar

    vstar Well-Known Member

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    #29
    WEll, I did read it and I wouldn't go as far as to say that it states almost exactly what I said... the only thing that was exact, is the 18,000 results in quotes and the mention that "all is not what it appears to be"

    Cheers
     
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  10. soccerfanbase.com

    soccerfanbase.com Peon

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    #30
    Great job man but I would not want you to be too happy about it. number one ranking is the ultimate but then if you are talking about your EZA articles then u better stop day dreaming as It does seems EZA is highly placed for new articles but the rank drops with time.
     
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  11. LordOfTheRing

    LordOfTheRing Well-Known Member

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    #31
    you are enjoying fruits of having new site , good :D
     
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  12. andrewblachut@bigpond.com

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    #32
    Just so you can get some perspective. Last year out of the blue, Google ranked my Australian real estate website number three out of all sites in Australia, for the phrase real estate.

    I was shocked to say the least because I had not been trying for the phrase.. assuming instead that it was to hard....and going after lower hanging fruit.

    Well the ranking lasted exactly 3 days and then the next day (4th day ) I was gone from the first 10 pages.

    About 2 months later, almost exactly the same thing occurred and again it was 3 days precisely and then oblivion again.

    When I saw the traffic that came with even a few days of such a term, I decided to go for the phrase on the basis that if I could get their by luck, then I could get their by design.

    Fast forward to December 2008 and Jan 09 and I have glued the position on front page for 4 weeks straight.

    Do I understand what went on?....partially.

    Can you rocket up the serps and be the proverbial one hit wonder for a while? Yes, absolutely.

    I suspect that if you did no more work then you would soon lose the position ...but only if someone else is chasing the spots. Good luck however and well done.
     
  13. pokey

    pokey Active Member

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    #33
    According to Google keyword tool, that phrase "Link Reputation" only gets 28 exact searches a month, and that's average. So with your website being all new and Google juggling you around to see where you best fit, all I could suggest is don't always go by the amount of queries returned...

    - A
     
    pokey, Jan 18, 2009 IP
  14. andrewblachut@bigpond.com

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    #34
    Congrats to vstar on a very well written and researched post regarding the keyword link reputation

    That's a wonderful example of just what good keyword study entails
     
  15. pokey

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    #35
    Correct, so when you're trying to rank for a "what-looks-like-a-competitive-term" .. analyse it in Google's Keyword Tool first...and check the 'exact' searches for it in your country. Plus: Good, quality content is always better then a dodgy backlink to your website, so keep that in mind ;)

    - A
     
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  16. renanorola

    renanorola Well-Known Member

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    #36
    thanks for sharing your idea.
     
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  17. Cbrooker

    Cbrooker Active Member

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    #37
    That's exactly why I said in the beginning of the post "don't be that impressed". The article that I wrote was in answer to a question that I had received from one of my other blogs. In the month that I looked, there were 100 searches for the key phrase.

    My point that I was trying to share was just because you rank well for a keyword or phrase, it's not that great unless it's going to result in traffic / conversions.

    The ranking of this term does fluctuate however as expected in google.com and google.ca .... given that my domain is Canadian, so that makes sense.

    What has me puzzled are the comments about "new site bonus" and the general perception of a "google sandbox" being in effect for new sites. My site was launched January 1, and I expected to never rank well for anything this early.

    As well, Google will return 42,000,000 sometimes, 62,000,0000 others, 69,000,000 and 18,600 (with quotes) ... as someone previously explained in this post. I haven't figured out why it goes from 42 - 69 million without the quotes yet. Any experts wish to chime in on that one?
     
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  18. mythreya

    mythreya Greenhorn

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    #38
    congrats for your efforts and thanks for sharing with us.
     
    mythreya, Jan 18, 2009 IP