New SPAM sites...billions of results!!!!

It has always been my firm belief that click fraud is 30% or more. I think its keyword specific (how hard is a topic spammed etc) - so some niches are lower than others. But I think 30% is pretty accurate, not the 5-10% (or even lower) that the PPC engines would let people believe.

 

Partly. Other part is that all these unique "domains" (ie subdomains) were linking to different sites so they had a lot of oomph behind them too. Google loves links from different (sub)domains.

He ranked for 4 and 5 word phrases. Put enough of them together and you get tons of traffic.

 

Ahhh... the planet.com... home of the worst spammers, scammers, hackers, and cockroaches on the net.

Lovely place that. Their idea of site security is a sign saying "please let's all be nice".

 

Hi, I checked the site links at the beginning of this LONGGGGG thread, and see that the sites are gone from the index. If the links are correct, it's probably a good lesson.

I'm also the one who created the longtailing site (HitTail) that was link-dropped a few pages back. I wanted to pop in to assure everyone that the gospel we preach is moderate and intelligent expansion of a site. You actutally WANT to stake your reputation on it. If you wouldn't be comfortable sitting down with a Google engineer discussing it, then don't do it if you're in it for the long term.

 

That's excellent advice in general.

Of course, if you don't care about the long term, then as you were. I assume the guy who was behind the topic of this thread didn't expect to be in it for the long term.

 

Mike Levin, there are still plenty of the sites left in the index. Might be differant guys but all the same methods in general.

-Michael

 

I have a domain with wildcard subdomains setup so after reading this I've decided to try a little test.... although I don't know if it will work as I'm not sure I fully understand how this guy did it. If you go to *.arefoundhere.com (* meaning anything), you will get my normal "subdomain does not exist" message, but I've added some random text (scraped from google) and some random word links on the side to more invalid subdomains.

I've submitted ringtones.arefoundhere.com to google... now my question is will googlebot now come index my page and start indexing all the random invalid subdomain links as well (and go into an infinite loop of indexing random crap)? Notice, I'm not putting any adsense on these pages as I don't want my adsense account shut down. This is just an experiment.

 

I think the alexa getting lower is probably due to the thread here and digg and loads of webmaster blogs and news sites etc where lots of people have the alexa installed. A digg will bring your alexa down a huge amount itself.

 

er, no, a Digg will take you up BIG time in daily reach per million. The SPAM sites got a crash because...*eureka* they were banned from Google!!! Take a close look at the image...



Were talking about how many visitors per million they are geting, not there ranking, which has massivly gone up.

 

Lots of great info here.

I had posted in a thread about this at WMW about a week ago and the thread is gone now. Might be because I posted Whois info in the thread, but someone in here said something about them being Nazis.

Hm.

Anyway, I'm new to web development and this is all hoots for me.http://forums.digitalpoint.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


With all I've read about Big Daddy and the t1ps spammer, it seems that I learned an early lesson: you can't rely on one traffic source.

And, while I'm sure that more seasoned pros of the WorldWildInternet have experienced some tumultuous times as different traffic sources disappeared and emerged, it's good to know that the land is still fertile for a different smelling fertilizer.http://forums.digitalpoint.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


I think that if it were June 2002 (or if I'd been around since June 2002) I'd be a little antsy or something, but, hell, if someone can get indexed that quickly, there's hope for newbs.

Now, I challenge the pros at DP to a new thread:

What have you learned from the spammer?

- Sure, any outbound php script can scrape content, but how did the indexing happen so fast? Was it just a couple links from PR5 .md's? Most of the links were internal, right?

 

And i challenge you to at least be able to post smilies in a post before throwing down a challenge

Regards how he got indexed so fast,Have a read here

 

Yo, Amilo, edit your "Recent Blog' spot. Then you'll have more links to your blog!!!

This proves that

and the only way to get a site banned is to make a thread about it that explodes. Then it get's posted on Digg.com and makes the front page. Then other news sites post about it. Google finally banns the site one day later, and before the stock market opens the next day, Monday!!!

 

Daaaammnn... now I'm like, answering peoples questions hours before they even have a chance to ask them, and from far away too! /flex...

I better go to bed and get some rest after that one...

-Michael

 

Some here seem to think that it is "illegal" or a jailable offense to transgress Google's TOS.

Hmm.

Others have expressed outrage over the spammer's "theft."

Hmm.

Turns out, Google has no legal authority over anyone, least of all the U.S. Congress.

And, as for those who have felt that there is some kind of theft, consider the following hypothetical situation, which probably happened thousands of times in the past two weeks by this thread's calculations.*

Bill's maxed out his credit card again, will have to pay the 39$ fee for being over the limit, but still wants to go on vacation in July, so he searches for paydayl0ans.

oops. Bill is a poor typist.

G SERPS lead him to some page at t1ps2see, the search engine you can trust, and he doesn't see anything too useful, so he clicks on an ad for Payday Loans.

The click sends him to Orchard Bank, which is willing to give him a $2500 loan at 24.99% interest so that he can take his girl to Iceland and they can have their own private hot spring.

Orchard pays Google 5$ for the lead. They'll make $550 in the first twelve months alone.

Google takes $2.50 (hypothetical, of course) and deposits $2.50 into the spammer's account.

Note: you and I had nothing to do with this transaction. Nothing on the spammer's pages had anything to do with your click-through or our inherent ability to drive traffic to our sites. But the spammer got the buyer to the seller.

Now, let's say, as some have argued here, that Google will withhold payment from the spammer.

On some moral grounds, or something.

If our spammer is smart, and I think we can all agree that he/she is, then wouldn't they have set up an independent site-wide tracking program? Or two, or three? Before launching their sites?

Then, the spammer would have indisputable evidence from multiple sources that, indeed, his or her visitors did click on Google ads, and that they are deserving of payment.

Regardless of the TOS, which probably wouldn't hold up in court.

Orchard Bank, to use the example above, certainly wouldn't care, and might even be outraged that Google would keep all of their money when a perfectly valuable publisher actually delivered the goods, instead of sending them another deadbeat.

Hm.

 

It will take sometime

 

What did you learn from the spammer?

So, they just took expired blogspot subdomains and linked to their own pages?

Sounds really weak, since Google automatically resets PR on old domain names when they expire. They couldn't do the same with the subdomains of their own property?

 

This spammer is still a few rungs higher on the 'ethical' ladder than email spammers and ppc clickbot'ers.

Google should refuse to pay his adsense earnings
..and offer him a job.

 

Dude, I think you missed the whole point, there's much more to it than you see, go through some earlier posts, and my posts as well and you'll get into it.

You think nobody sees things the way you wrote? It's obvious that the lead - as long as it's legit for both sides is always welcome that's the ABC of marketing, and anyway we're talking here not about payday loans leads - but we're talking about PPC, anyway that's not the point, the point is what 5 billion pages caused in G' - many people had their websites (I'm one of them) thrown out of the index for a couple of days, this guy is no genius, but just some shmock that can potentially destroy G' if he does again or any tens of thousands of this-guy-wannabes will try the same tactic simulatenously now, just think about some 10,000 amateur blackhats that sit in front of their monitor - all doing the same shit thinking that it's guaranteed that within 2 weeks they will get the same results, don't you wanna be using G' for another couple of years, G' is a great SE - I truly love it, but morons like this dude will simply destroy it. Bottom line is - if one guy could get 5B pages into G', and if there are at least (and I'm sure there are) 100 people in the world that know enough to do this, will do this, G' will have only spam in it falling off of the edges - just think, 500,000,000,000 pages of spam - who will profit from this!? Read this again and think again, and again, and again...

And BTW, the dude who claims to own these subdomains, where is he? He promised some answers! I don't respect people who can't deliver the goods!

Say hi to Joe for me.

 

He looked at this thread yesterday...and left with out posting anything. I don't think he liked my questions.

BTW, he put up a file on one of those domains proving he is the dude that did this, and then he took it down after a few people here saw it.

 

Thanks for the headsup Nintendo