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The Update is over...

Discussion in 'Google' started by wrkalot, Feb 11, 2005.

  1. dakar

    dakar Active Member

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    #41
    Mine are still all over the place as well. Across all the DC's my primary keywords rank from #1, 3, 26, 100+ you name it..... Waiting on the fat lady to sing so I know where I really sit so I can begin a new venture.
     
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    mopacfan Peon

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    #42
    Even though the update is not over, I'm still going through and updating my pages to make sure they all have good meta tags, good titles and good kw usage. Call it getting back to basics.
     
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  3. 2ndPlatform

    2ndPlatform Peon

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    #43
    I'm good at design but still learning SEO -- can you tell me how you look this information up?

    My site sunk about 20 spots... but nothing major.
     
    2ndPlatform, Feb 14, 2005 IP
  4. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #44
    Hello 2ndPlatform,

    Yes, you can view the results on the different Datacenters with this tool...

    Datacenter Quick Check Tool

    or the Google Datacenter Watch Tool (link below in my signature)

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Feb 14, 2005 IP
  5. vprp

    vprp Peon

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    #45
    Do a search for "Golf Rewind" now and this thread is ranked #1. Where my site is? I don't know.

    I figure, if my site can't even rank well for "Golf Rewind" which is the name of my site and my domain, my other search terms can't be doing very well. Amazingly, I still have referrals coming to me from Google, though.
     
    vprp, Feb 15, 2005 IP
  6. wiseone

    wiseone Peon

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    #46
    VPRP - Checked your site... Looks really clean and nice. We have the same problem... We are not to be found in Google for our business name. All of the scraper sites and other junk come way before us. Not sure what is up with Google. We still rank high for our main keywords on msn, yahoo, and ask jeeves. As we should. We are not a new site and have been online for over five years. I am starting to think that msn, yahoo, and ask jeeves somehow are bit more together than Google. They do not seem to rank all the scraper sites high up. Google seems to have a problem with this.

    Google is their own worst enemy. The folks at Adsense gave all the spammy people accounts and said go forth and make us profits at whatever cost. The search engine side now has to deal with all of these spammy sites with no other purpose than to have Adsense ads. Why do they not have higher quality control for their adsense program?

    You would think they would have known this with all of their Stanford, MIT, etc... graduates. Sometimes to much brain power without any common sense is not a good thing.

    I remember a month back one of the biggest referrer spammers was spamming for a site that contained adsense ads. Does anyone remember "xopy dot com" (from the folks at adminshop)? It was using a redirect to a site that contained adsense ads for webhosting.

    Just my thoughts.
     
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  7. mopacfan

    mopacfan Peon

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    #47
    There is a big difference between being book smart and being "street" smart. Why do eggheads look so stupid in general? Because they have no clue about the real world. All they know is numbers and theories. Now I'm not saying that's a bad thing. We need braniacs. But everything needs to be balanced and G is significantly out of balance. I like G but they really are their own worst enemy.
     
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  8. Spacen

    Spacen Peon

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    #48
    I am now seeing a third set of SERPs for my keywords propogating through all the datacenters. It's kind of a mix of pre-superbowl update and post superbowl update.

    Anyone seeing anything similar?
     
    Spacen, Feb 15, 2005 IP
  9. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #49
    As of sometime last night between 6:30 PM and 11:pM (EST) Google finally updated the remaining 6 Datacenters with the current Backlink results.

    HOWEVER, from my detailed and frequent (several times a day) records of Google results, there is still much movement being recorded in both serps and allinachor between the Datacenters.

    The Fat Lady hasn't sung yet!

    I wanted to point something else out though, people should consider posts such as vprp's report of this SEO Forum coming up in the results for a search on keywords totally unrelated to SEO or Forums. There is another member of this forum, Foxy, who reported the very same thing happened last summer(and is currently still happening) with a site/keyword of his. This is NOT uncommon!

    Why, should an SEO Forum be returned in the results for a search on keywords simply because they were mentioned in a thread? Certainly, there is no anchor text or Backlinks pointing to digitalpoint forums with the appropriate keywords. Certainly, this site does not have anything other than the keywords mentioned once or twice on the entire site!

    I have no idea WHY this happens, although I can speculate, BUT when people are going to great lengths to expound on Googles "new, advanced, highly intelligent", algorithim we should consider why Google can't seem to figure out that there is NO RELATIONSHIP (relevancy), between what is being searched for and what is being returned!!!!

    Certainly, the technology exists. But where is the concrete evidence that it is being applied? One or two examples that seem to "fit" should not be accepted as proof of such Monumental changes to Googles algorithim.

    When I hear of such theories, I go take a Glance at the good ol' Google Bombs and look up Foxy's keyword (w e b e r b b q - no spaces of course)and now will add vprp's keyword to my little collection of keywords to check. If I see these left untouched, I put the "new" theory on the back burner.

    If the shoe dosn't fit, don't just try to cram it on because someone you perceive to be smarter than you is doing a great sales job. Yes, we are all looking for answers but only the correct answer is going to help you.

    Just my two cents...

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Feb 15, 2005 IP
  10. Spacen

    Spacen Peon

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    #50
    As of right now, according to your datacenter q-check tool, I'm still seeing 9 datacenters that haven't updated backlinks for my site. There is still something strange going on...
     
    Spacen, Feb 15, 2005 IP
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    #51
    I experienced this same phenomenon for 8.5 months while in the sandbox. DP threads in which I mentioned my KWs appeared in SERPs on page 2 whereas my site appeared on page 7.

    Additionally, directory pages with no related content other than my site description and backlink ranked well, whereas my site again appeared on page 7+.

    That went on for 8 or so months, until I was finally released from the box 2/7.
     
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    mcdar Peon

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    #52
    OMG- I am glad you pointed that out!!!

    I just re-checked and now I see 11 Datacenters are reporting pre-update Backlinks. Google seems to have reversed the Update to the following Datacenters

    216.239.53.99
    216.239.57.98
    216.239.57.99
    66.102.7.99
    216.239.53.104
    66.102.7.104
    66.102.7.105
    66.102.7.147
    64.233.171.99
    64.233.171.104
    64.233.171.105

    This thing is far from over...

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Feb 15, 2005 IP
  13. mcdar

    mcdar Peon

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    #53
    longcall911,

    It is for this very reason that I refuse to have any of my sites listed with these directories that are popping up all over the place.

    Chances are, the link could do you much more harm than good.

    The sandbox may not be a Google thing at all. It may just be that your site has been gobbled up by some directory and it is that directory (that you would never recognize) that is taking your place, because of your site in the Google results.

    A linkdomain: search in Yahoo reveals a lot of weird sites that do nothing but pull in directory searches. Check it out.

    Caryl
     
    mcdar, Feb 15, 2005 IP
  14. wiseone

    wiseone Peon

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    #54
    I am noticing any traffic we are getting from Google is from pages with cache dates from January 10th and earlier...

    Google has been doing a massive crawl of our site... Probably 3-4K pages requests a day. Since Feb 2nd., I would say that it has made about 50K page requests. Not sure where all of this going... SERPS seem to be changing by the minute.
     
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    #55
    That's quite normal. The same thing happened with the last update too. It seems that Google creates a copy of the cache somewhere else and the update is run on a back-up somewhere and for some reason, after around 3 weeks of tweaking around they apply the updated database to all datacentres one by one.

    So, if you have added any new pages at the end of Jan (or after), you will need to wait for the next update before they end up at the spots that they deserve in the SERPs.
     
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    #56
    Thanks McDar... appreciate the info.
     
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    #57
    Yes, but now that I'm out of the sandbox (moved from #56 to #5 for most important) those directories are pushing my competitors' pages farther down.

    So, if you are 'held back' the links can work against you. Once released, they'll work for you if you achieve a top spot. Either way, it's a tough call.
     
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    #58
    For some of my keyword, serps seems like a rollercoaster...
    I think G is filling gaps after the last update.
    216.239.57.99 shows different amount of results for my keyword and some of other DCs different.
    Also 216.239.57.99 does not show old results.
    These are new serps with different serps.
    So IMO update hasn't finished yet.
     
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    #59
    Someone is stealing my limelight at the moment and will probable cost me dearly in the future. If you look at the current rankings for my one site for "casino forum" You will note that the real site is at #17 and a directory ranks at #12. This real site originally ranked #6 until a couple of days ago.
     
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    #60
    Well, it looks like golfrewind.com is showing up as #1 for "Golf Rewind" on a few datacenters now. Before the "Super Bowl update" or "Allegra" or whatever you want to call it, the site was pretty stable at #1. The site is listed in DMOZ, the Google Directory and LookSmart. Hopefully, they'll sort things out.
     
    vprp, Feb 16, 2005 IP