Smart Pricing - My story

Discussion in 'AdSense' started by pixads, Jun 10, 2006.

  1. #1
    A few months a go me and my friend made a website. We started getting pretty decent traffic from the start and were having good page views. We added AdSense and the clicks were coming in fine. Played with the units placement and got some higher CTR.
    But then.....
    Then I decided to put up one of those up for a minute arcade games sites and put some AS on it. Right after the site was launched CPC went to about 4x lower than usual and kept going that way. As I read at DP that new sites may lower your CPC in the beginning I left this for a few weeks but did not see any improvement.
    So I tranfered the sites to a friend's AS account. For my surprise the CPC raised from day 1 without arcade sites in the account. It's not yet back to normal but I am optimistic about it.

    Any arcade site-s owners here to share their experience with the income from the sites?
     
    pixads, Jun 10, 2006 IP
  2. Telmari

    Telmari Active Member

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    #2
    Depending on how you had the site set up, it may have been that the ads that were previously pulling in decent revenue were replaced by lower-paying ads related to the arcade games - this is only one idea, though. :)
     
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  3. pixads

    pixads Well-Known Member

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    #3
    The arcade site is on a different domain so it should not be interfering with the other site's ads.
     
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    eWESTPost Peon

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    #4
    AFAIK, one non-porforming (conversion to the advertisers) site will affect whole account with samrt pricing.
    Removing Adsense from such site may pull back samrt pricing. But find out which site does poor performing is a difficult task when you add few sites at once.
     
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  5. pixads

    pixads Well-Known Member

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    To me it seems like the arcades are not good performers in terms of conversion
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    I don't think this is the case.....I have cpc on some pages five times greater than on others so there is no impact on the whole account I think....

    did you change the ads position on your higher paying site ?
     
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  7. eWESTPost

    eWESTPost Peon

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  8. pixads

    pixads Well-Known Member

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    No changes to the first site at all. Even got more traffic and clicks but still lower income.
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    I just read jensense ... It is probably the truth since jensense is somehow reference for adsense ;)

    Get rid of that arcade for good then
     
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    If that is true, then it is a terrible flaw in the adsense system that needs to be addressed.

    Darren.
     
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  11. dageek

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    Agreed Darren, this is not good. If you have say 50 sites and no way to tell which one is ruining your income its unfair.

    Smart pricing is there to rightly protect consumers, however if a publisher doesnt have the correct tools to identify this situation what are they expected to do about it ?

    The lack of information is worrying, I hope Google addresses this, maybe they should notify publishers ?
     
    dageek, Jun 11, 2006 IP
  12. RaZoRLeGaCy

    RaZoRLeGaCy Well-Known Member

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    So in what ways can we find/detect and then filter out the bad site that is causing the smart pricing?
     
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    jackburton2006 Peon

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    It's actually not that difficult to figure out which site is getting you smartpriced. The site has to have enough traffic and high CTR and earnings to put smart pricing into effect. Even if you have 50 sites, I'm willing to bet 40 or more of them are very small sites with almost no traffic and thus, low clicks, so you can immediately cross them out. More likely than not, the same site that is getting you smartpriced is also the site that makes you the most money, so you can't really do anything about rectifying your situation.

    At least this is how I understand it. I could be wrong, of course.
     
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    ainmohd Peon

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    My understanding is that SmartPricing does not treat one well when one have unrelated topics on the same site.

    "This is obviously a flaw since it's not based on the performance of the individual page, but rather on the performance of the site as a whole (and some think it's based on the performance of your entire account)." Jonathan Leger of AdsenseGold.com

    What about a site with many sub-domains like mortgages.mydomain.com, life-insurance.mydomain.com, etc.
     
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  15. jackburton2006

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    The site topic has nothing to do with it. It's all about the numbers -- your CTR, clicks, and how much of those aren't converting for the advertiser.
     
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  16. pixads

    pixads Well-Known Member

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    Guess what happens if some MFA owners connect their AdWords account and analytics and define some impossible conversion rule for visitors coming from AW.
     
    pixads, Jun 14, 2006 IP