Soviet officer who 'shot down McCain over Vietnam' speaks out

This is a funny article even if its true:

http://en.rian.ru/world/20081117/118360632.html

P.S: What would McCain do to us if thats true? j/k))

 

It would be amazing if true, indicating that the Soviets were in Vietnam, fighting and aiding the North Vietnamese.

One of the reasons the US held back in some regards in Vietnam was a fear of Chinese or, quite surprisingly, Soviets joining the North Vietnamese.

Its been 40+ years. McCain has been to Vietnam since that war, and moved on.

On the other hand, after Georgia he sounded belligerant to the Russians.

The two big nations would be better off finding mutual agreement.

 

There are stories of Russian fighter pilots engaging in the Korean war. Probably wouldn't be all that surprising if they were in Vietnam in some capacity.

 

are you questioning that the soviets were in Vietnam? I thought its known offcially.

 

NFS:

He referenced Soviet pilots in Korea. He didn't reference Vietnam. Do you have evidence from Russian pilots in Vietnam? That would be interesting.

 

I guess it is official.

If they say it was 3,000 troops then maybe it was 10,000.

Everyone knows the north had heavy backing from the USSR. That's really what the war was all about. The USSR was backing the spread of communism by force and the US was opposing it. It's pretty much the same reason we fought in Korea and had CIA in Afghanistan.

 

Apparently we were out of the loop. See post above.

 

The Communist Chinese also suffered more than 16,000 battle deaths.

 

Wow..... I didn't think it was funny

 

Iraqi Security forces have captured 10 Iranian Quds force fighters and killed one.

Insurgencies need outside support. It's a myth that the Viet Cong defeated the US.

 

funny in another meaning, I mean after so much time this gets published.

I wouldnt call it as opposing communism, the main goal was to stop USSR having more and more allies. Just like NATO nowadays spreading everywhere.

 

Soviet Shopkeeper who supplied toilet paper to Sarah Palin speaks out.

Sorry

 

The US isn't backing an army to take over countries like Ukraine by force to spread democracy(as if spreading democracy and spreading communism are in any way equatable). There's a huge difference. And even if we were backing a military takeover we wouldn't be able to influence them like the USSR would influence its puppet states. It's not as easy to control democracies.

Comparing military-forced communist annexation to democratic nations willingly joining a multi-state alliance is just silly.

 

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N_F_S: Once the Soviet Union collapsed the European and West Asian nations that emerged, regained their strong independence have had little interest in rejoining and happily becoming cheerful allies with Russia.

Few of the nations aligned with the Soviet Union did so willingly.

Russia is a big wealthy nation with great and valuable natural resources. It would gain a lot more allies by trading economically rather than enforcing its military might.

 

You said Russia, and not USSR, where did Russia "enforced its military might and gained some territory"? The problem is that you dont divide USSR and Russia, we do. I dont like USSR and most of population in Russia wouldnt want it back, but still the West calls us as USSR (because they dont have any bad records for Russia), well, its their choice.

Nevertheless, the result is the same, you vote for the top head in Georgia, Ukraine, Iraq, etc. We all know how US can create an ally by supplying weapons, shields, etc. Where do you see a difference? Its a gun from both sides, "democracy" is for naive people, look how your spreaded "democracy" works now in Ukraine & Georgia (they both nearly in a revolution state), you cannot fool people with the forced democracy.

I dont see any difference between forced democracy and communism, both interfere.

 

The Communists were taking countries by force. The Russians were crushing democratic movements with tanks in places like Budapest and Prague. People in places like Berlin, South Korea, Tawain, and El Salvador are grateful for the US standing up to communism.

 

Russians or Soviets ?

Berlin? lmao How did you forget China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela ? Are they grateful, too? Did they disappear without the US help ?

Sure thing, US rescued everyone and US never done any bad things, never ever <- (c) by bogart. (just ruined some countries by sponsoring revolutions and force too in some cases, thats all)

 

N_F_S:

The Soviets before, and Russian leaders now don't seem to generate love and affection either from nations leaders, or the people of the world who see it as a beacon of freedom.

Regardless, Russia now is in good shape. Its wealth in natural resources has strengthened the nation. It has great opportunities to build itself and diversify industries.

Like the West it also is threatened by Islamic terrorism. It has regions that wish to break away for freedom. It has ethnic issues that create internal problems.

Over the 40 years of the cold war and into the post cold war history it is easy to compare what was the Soviet Union, dominated by Russia...and what is the US as two arrogant super powers flexing their muscles.

It would be stupid in my mind to see the two nations return to a policy that repeats that over the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, and 1980's.

Communist philosophy and economics failed North Korea and Cuba. They are impoverished nations now. China's strength now is a result of unleashing its size, population, and business sense to become a huge manufacturing/trading nation, unlike any in the world. It did not do this under the old regime and old thinking of communism. Russia no longer follows that old philosophy and has become a powerhouse with natural resources.

Its funny you referenced a GM investment in Russia in a different post elsewhere (borrowed money must have paid for the investment--as with most plants and factories). That kind of investment wouldn't have happened under the old regime.

The two big nations, the US and the USSR (primarily Russia) wasted too many resources over too many decades taking one another on around the world.

IMHO they should focus on building economies.

(oh and Venezuela--its got oil...its rich in oil. so what)

 

Yeah, I know. Former soviet states allying with NATO is really in no way comparable to Soviet backed forces invading countries and overthrowing their governments. But I'm not going to try to convince NFS. He's going to believe what he wants anyway.

 

No doubt, but the demand for resources draws another potential war, experts say so.

But still, China is far from democracy, my point is that democracy is not the ideal way of living as bogart sees it. When he said the letter A, the letter B has to be said too. Then it will be a fair statement.

I already said, that I dont like USSR and its regime, by the way, its a ping pong, Russia invested in US far more than US in Russia I believe.

Thats what they always say when they shake hands and smile to TV cameras, but unfortunately the reality is far different.