jesse jackson crying - why?

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    #21
    Yeah, but I think everyone other than the OP probably knew why he was crying, which delt with Obama's race, which somehow equated to a big step against racism. I was just pointing out that we aren't done with racism until it can stop being addressed as a big issue.
     
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    #22
    Does it not strike anyone as odd that so much secondary & tertiary analysis is going into a man's tears?

    God, it's not that complicated: all I saw was a man literally slammed to the floor by something he would know, and that is a history from blood in Selma, Alabama, through to seeing Barack Obama, President. It was a beautiful moment, and that's it. Or should be.
     
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    #23
    Actually there never was a clear question in the OP.

    The way I read it he was making a statement. The whole "I wonder" part was just a premise and soften the effect of what he was about to say. Instead of flatly accusing him of crying because his career he's built on racism just got tougher.

    Plenty of people ask questions around here with the actual intent being to make a statement.

    That is the way I took his post, unless he wants to step in here and clarify.
     
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    #24
    I think the only overanalyzing being done here is being done on my post. We know that his tears probably had to do with a race issue. I was just addressing that from that angle. I don't imagine Jesse Jackson was crying because Obama's grandma died recently and he was just receiving the news.
     
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    #25
    PHP - not sure why you can't seem to understand the notion of personal history, but let me try it from another angle. I have tried to show that as Jackson was there, on the streets of Selma, it is not a titanic leap of logic to assume the man was likely taking measure of the years, and it was, uh, moving - because he was there. I took stock of those years, and was moved with him. Bush himself just took stock of those years, in his speech of a few moments ago.

    It's not that complicated. "History" matters to some - especially those who live it directly.

    Whatever. A beautiful event, a beautiful moment, Obama's ascension to the Presidency, and I won't forget what was rushing through my mind, taking it in.
     
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    #26
    Are we note arguing the same side here? You are putting this whole elaborate reflection of racial problems in the past for Jesse. I'm just saying "race issues". Both are essentially the same. I'm not disagreeing with you.
     
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    #27
    I guess I can't help you to understand, PHP. It is extraordinarily simple, and this line of attempting to divine the man's tears in light of his philosophy, latter-day actions, etc., is simply ridiculous. It goes to lived history, something all of us have - because of the history he lived, those many years ago, it was possible for a man like Obama to become president. It is not extraordinary that he would likely be shaken by taking measure of his own life, of what he lived 40 years ago, and what he witnessed yesterday. I was moved with him, for the same reasons.

    Not complicated. Believe whatever you would.

    George, I do what I can to try not to divine intents - I try to go with what's on the page. My first thought on Jackson's tears were what I have said, that's all. It seemed to me the man was almost cracked with the full import of what had taken place, and I was moved by it. It's very simple, for me.
     
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    #28
    You are correct. I did see his tears for what they are. I do believe this has been a huge step for blacks in that they have broken the glass ceiling in a way that shows they have freedom in America as anyone else does. I am sure that jesse jackson is proud to have gone the distance he has, since he is older than I and has personally experienced racism towards himself.

    I did add the bit about him crying about his job as sort of a joke, I don't believe that had anything to do with his crying, but I do hope he goes away now. I see guys like him to have just as much racism as richard butler (google the poor neo-nazi leader) neither side helps stop racism, only to make everything out to be racist.

    I am sure a couple of people will view what I write as racists because they won't agree with what I have written. So be it. I see all people as equal no matter what nationality, race or simply skin color variations that exists. I believe there is one God who created all men.
     
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    #29
    And I agree!
    The only thing i'm saying is that racism isn't over until race stops becoming a big issue (such as it did yesterday).
     
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    #30
    <<Sigh>>. I thought debunked meant by this that he "wondered if the reason Jackson was crying was because his career of keeping racism is alive is coming to an end." Crazy, I realize, to interpret his post this way, but then, well, I'm nuts.

    Anyway, yep - Jackson's a....human being, who, uh, marched with Martin Luther King, and who stood by King moments before he was murdered; and he has the balls to cry just because he witnessed President-Elect Obama take the victory stage. Bastard.

    Our poor, sad species, at times.
     
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    #31
    Great, we're in agreement. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm taking stock of what took place last night, along with Bush, and millions of others, and part of that assessment is against the backdrop of the fact it was only a few decades ago Obama couldn't drink from the same fountain as me, much less take the Oval Office. How far we've come. And I'm wishing the President-Elect best wishes on his new administration.
     
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    #32
    Do you really think he's going to go away? I personally think we are going to be seeing/hearing from him constantly now. And that's not a good thing....he may have been an honorable figure at one time, but I agree that the only thing he does now is promote racism, does NOTHING to solve the problem....
     
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    #33
    exactly....
     
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    #34
    Maybe He was crying because He felt as I and all blacks of America did last night. That America can finally see that all people are created equal. I am pretty sure that if you did a poll on if America would ever elect a Black man in our lifetime, it would probably be around 90 percent No.

    That being said, racism and racial topics will never go away. There will always be a Jesse Jackson, a Al sharpton, a Rush Limbaugh and Groups like the skinheads, neo-Nazi will continue to do their bidding. But Last night proved that America as a whole is changing and moving forward without them.
     
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    #35
    Not until we see a woman president.
     
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    #36
    Palin 2012!! :D
     
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    #37
    Maybe 2016. Only Rob Jones for 2012.
     
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    #38
    So rush limbaugh is a racist? I hadn't seen anything about that guy being a racists now. Maybe you got confused on some of the racists leader, but I could understand why - the only one I knew of because he was in the same area I lived lost everything in court and now couch surfs in houses of the young skinheads - that was richard butler who scared the crap out of me one day (I had a nice dark brown tan and was about 16)
     
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    #39
    You're right.
     
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    #40
    Um, not sure.:rolleyes:
     
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