If Obama Doesn't Win, America's Racist!

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  1. robjones

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    #61
    Dont dodge the question zibbie... which parts of the bill of rights DO you approve ove. You've already admitted you dont care about the 2nd. How bout the 1st... can we have that one?
     
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    #62
    The very fact that Obama was chosen as Presidential candidate by Democrats is a proof that majority of American are not racist.
    Am i right?
     
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  3. Zibblu

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    #63
    The rest of the bill of rights is pretty awesome actually. I wish Bush/Cheney felt the same way.

    I think the 2nd amendment doesn't really apply to today's world. The world changes and it's important to be able to evolve when necessary.
     
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    #64
    I am glad to see that even the Democrats realize that a vote for McCain most often has nothing to do with race. It has to do with believing he is simply the best person for the job, whether you agree with or not doesn't matter. :)
     
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  5. Zibblu

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    #65
    PHPGator - I do not think the vast majority of McCain voters are voting for McCain because he is white. I do think there are SOME who are voting for him because he is white (some racist Democrats) but by and large I don't think it's nearly as big of an issue as those in the media make it out to be.

    I think those voting for McCain must really think that things are going well and that we should stay on the same path we are on. They think "yeah these Bush/McCain/Cheney policies are working really great, let's have another four years of this!" ;)

    For the rest of us who think that the Bush/McCain/Cheney policies are driving this country into the ground we'll go with Barack Obama. Not because he's black or white but because he is right.
     
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    #66
    That's exactly why it does apply... because people like you who dont believe in the 2nd would let it go away... and it's one reason the government cant take the others even if they tried. Dont credit me with that pearl... it really came from Thomas Jefferson.
     
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  7. Zibblu

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    #67
    Thomas Jefferson couldn't imagine a world with weapons like today. Do you think that citizens should be able to buy and use grenades or bazookas? Where do you draw the line?

    I am a big fan of TJ though, thanks for bringing him up. I hope all of the people who mistakenly think America is a "Christian Country" founded on "Christian Ideals" read this list of Jefferson quotations on religion.
     
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    #68
    If the Obama/Biden ticket doesn't win then we're racist. And if the McCain/Palin ticket doesn't win then we're sexist.
     
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    #69
    No, I wouldn't really agree with that assessment either. The media and Obama has done a good job of tying McCain to Bush. McCain hasn't really fought back on that issue much, but if you look at the things he wants to change, he is quite a bit different from Bush. For me, social and energy issues are important, I strongly agree with McCain in those two issues and thats why he is my candidate of choice. My vote for McCain has nothing to do with Bush.
     
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    #70
    There's not a single major issue where McCain is significantly different than Bush that's why he's ran a campaign based on fear tactics (BOO!) rather than on the issues. If people vote on the issues, Obama wins by a landslide. Hopefully that's exactly what most Americans will do tomorrow.
     
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    #71
    We wouldnt want to just use your logic on just one amendment... lets declare the internet outside the scope of the first amendment because the founders couldnt have imagined that either. When the brilliant guys pushing the argument that we should limit the right to bear arms to muskets and swords get done they could use the same logic to make freedom of the press applicable only in the case of handset type. It'll be much easier to do when the populace is unarmed.

    When it comes to the bill of rights... remember one word... "inalienable".
     
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    #72
    Obama said about small town Americans

    "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/obama-draws-fire-for-comments-on-small-town-america/
     
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    #73
    HAHAAHHA bogart - bringing out that old hit? Good luck with that. It's amazing that after 21 months of campaigning that's the only thing you've got.

    Obama's point and it's still true today is that people in hard economic times do tend to hold onto things they feel they can control. They do that out of a feeling of desperation that things cannot get better. The GOP uses that desperation to make people vote against their own best interest. It's sad.

    Hopefully tomorrow the vast majority of Americans will vote for a better economy by voting for Barack Obama.
     
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    #74
    Notwithstanding your semi-religious belief that he's the greatest thing since sliced bread... the guy has no credentials or track record to support that statement. The economic crisis we're in was set in motion by a democratic administration, its underpinnings defended by leading democrats, and last time I looked the Dems have had control of BOTH legislative bodies for the last two years and done zip. The candidate himself is just a go-along-to-get-along party faithful junior senator. Your faith is cute tho.
     
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    #75
    Good luck with that. Everyone remembers the 1990s under Bill Clinton. Certainly everyone knows what Bush has done over the last 8 years.

    Obama's Clinton like economic policies will help the economy.
     
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    LOL. The last guy that got us a budget surplus and destroyed the economy for his predecessor was Andrew Jackson. Economic chickens take a little while to come home to roost. History will in the long run attribute this fiasco to the Clinton policy of ramping up the sub-prime mortgage industry and the subsequent administrations failure to reverse it.

    Names like Clinton, Barney Franks, Raines, and their friends will play prominently in a study of this crash in economic textbooks years from now. Don't take my word for it... pick up an Economics textbook in 30 years and see for yourself.
     
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    #77
    robjones - time after time Democrats have grown the economy and Republicans have driven it into the ground. Bush is not the first time this has happened. I suppose it's just a coincidence that the stock market tends to go up at a far faster rate under Democrats than Republicans? Even though it happens time and time again? Sure. I don't think the average American is buying it. Americans know that Democrats are better for the economy and at this point they are starting to wonder if Republicans are better at anything (it doesn't seem like it.)
     
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    If I was educated by DNC talking points instead of 30 years of education and experience on the subject pertaining to the recent crash I'd probably agree. Obviously my view's just tainted by not having paid close enough attention to Obama's campaign speeches.
     
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    #79
    Yes and why should I take your opinion over that of Obama supporters like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and Eric Schmidt.

    Buffet, Gates, & Schmidt know a little bit about making money and they seem to think they'll be better off with Obama as President. That should mean a lot to the rest of us.
     
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    #80
    I've yet to surrender my decision-making capacity to the power of an endorsement that may well be made for other reasons. You may of course choose to do otherwise.

    I stand by my contention that within 30 years the history books will attribute this economic mess to the Democrats, who put the policies in place that caused it then defended them vigorously in legislature. Bush wont get a pass on it for failing to reverse it, but the number of times the DNC played goalie for Fannie and Freddie will in the long run be properly attributed. In the short run the American people tend to buy whatever story is sold the best.

    For example I've seen the $700bil bailout attributed to the Bush admin lately, despite the fact that the DNC holds the majority in both legislative bodies that passed it and Pelosi was championing it while excoriating GOP housemembers that voted against it. "Never underestimate the ability of the public to buy a stupid story" seems to be the Democratic mantra. At least in the short run they appear to have a point.
     
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