Let me clarify this. America is a racist, sexist, country. People need someone to hate, blame or pick on to put into their excuse bag when they don't get their way. That's just the way it is, and all skin colors , religions, and body types get it. If Obama loses, it's because he failed to get his message across to enough people. There are not enough racists of one particular group in America to affect an election anymore since no one group holds the majority over all others combined. I truly believe America as a whole is disgusted and tired of racism, but there are still plenty of individuals out there that will go to their death bed blaming their failures on someone else. That's just life.
Obama's aunt is a non-story. The only thing interesting about it is that the Bush admin. illegally released the information in order to try to influence the election. It's just another example of how corrupt the GOP is. Another reason to vote them out of office on November 4. Stop trying to trump up these stupid non stories as if they are important. It's looking more and more pathetic and everybody can see through this kind of slime. That's the one good thing that has come from Karl Rove. Now everyone expects this nonsense and rightly ignores it. Nobody cares. We care about the real issues. The economy. Health care. Education. Foreign policy. On the issue Obama is miles ahead of McCain. That's what matters.
Sarah Palin Gets Pranked. HAHAHA. I almost feel sorry for her. Not sorry enough to have this airhead one heartbeat away from the Presidency though.
Oh come on zib, YOU were the one championing intellectual honesty in here... so tell us: Do you believe the aunt crossed an ocean to attend his inauguration but did NOT bother to mention she was seeking political asylum? Your candidate knows she came across the sea to his inauguration, but says he had no idea about the other. Is his story plausible? A simple yes or no will do. You cant insist on intellectual honesty then refuse to display it. Doesnt work like that.
Absolutely plausible. Why would this be of a concern for him? He barely knew his father. I doubt he has a close relationship with his aunt. Many people have aunts & uncles they barely know (I certainly do.) Why should a politician be different just because they are a politician? It's a ridiculous standard to set. The only thing interseting about this story is that the Bush admin. broke the law to try and influence this election. Remember when you see John McCain's name on that ballot: Just imagine George W. Bush's smirking face. Also if you like uncomfortable humor: Palin Pranked. She is an airhead. It's just shocking to imagine this woman as our possible Commander In Chief. That's what should be scaring the hell out of people on Election Day and I really think it will.
OK, zib, you failed the test. You are so in the tank you say the lady crossed the ocean from Africa to the US to see her nephew inagurated... but never bothered to tell him she was seeking to stay in the country, and he never nothered to ask why she was still here four years later making donations to his campaign. If she'd become a US citizen (therefore capable of making donations) he MIGHT have been asked to the ceremony... but it cant be done in 4 years. Your candidates a liar. As for you, skip the intellectual honesty accusations.
Why am I supposed to care whether she told him or not? Seriously? Why in the hell would that matter to anyone? It's just mind boggling. The right wing loonies don't have any dirt on Obama so they keep trying to come up with some association dirt. That's all they have. And it's pathetic. Obama's aunt (who he barely knows) has nothing to do with anything. Is it McCain's fault that his brother is an idiot?
Why should anyone care what you have to say if you try to preach "intellectual honesty" while holding a hillariously untenable position just because it avoids admitting the simple fact that your preferred candidate is a being more than slightly dishonest about having turned a blind eye to this violation of immigration law?
1. All politicians are dishonest & misleading to some degree. There has to be a bit of wiggle room there. 2. He barely knew his own father (he knew him for ONE month when he was 10) why would he have a close relationship with his aunt? It doesn't really make sense. I'm sure there are many people who have fathers who were absent who barely know their fathers brothers & sisters. Why would they? Use some common sense here bud. 3. Even if you are right and he knew about this. I don't care. It's one of those shrug your shoulders deals. Am I supposed to expect him to go out of his way to get his aunt deported? Why would he do that? Why would anyone do that? It's an unreasonable expectation. There are millions of illegal immigrants in America. So what about this one? I personally just don't give a crap about the immigration issue. It's an "issue" for nutters like Lou Dobbs. 4. Sarah Palin is an idiot.
So it is OK for Obama to tell the American public he knew nothing about this? If it is a non-issue, why does he need to lie about it? How exactly does this "I dont care if he's lying" thing mesh with your thoughts on intellectual dishonesty. Is that an argument you only like when it is convenient?
Lol. I've had a few of my black employees saying essentially the same thing. They've made it it quite clear that they'll consider any white person who doesn't vote for Obama to be a racist. I told them name calling wouldn't hurt my feelings and they could think of me however they wanted as I wasn't voting for either candidate. I wanted Hillary to win. With this economy, four more years of Bill in the White House seemed like a good idea to me.
*important note: there is no proof that Obama lied about this* It's similar to me not caring about Bill Clinton lying about receiving oral sex. I care when people lie about the issues. I care when politicians lie about things that actually effect me. White lies involving personal lives? Absolutely unimportant to me. This is the kind of nonsense that you can get on any politician if you go after them in this way. It's a childish type of discourse to have. It's part of the politics that Obama is running to change. No more childish personal attacks. Instead let's talk about the issues that actually matter. Vote for Barack Obama on November 4, 2008. Find your polling location at VoteForChange.com --- Do not let the smear merchants of the right wing get you to vote for McCain just like they got you to vote for Bush. REMEMBER when you are in that voting booth that George W. Bush & Dick Cheney support John McCain. By voting for McCain you are telling W & Dick that they did a heck of a job. Is that really the message you want to send? You do realize that Obama & Clinton have very similar policies right? A vote for Obama is a vote for Bill Clinton's economy. Bill Clinton explaining why Obama will be a great President. This has nothing to do with race. I don't care who is black or white. I care who is wrong and who is right. And it's clear as day that McCain is wrong (he is more BUSH/CHENEY) and that Obama is right.
Maybe but the Clinton's have been in the White House before. We've seen what they can do. Obama is still unproven. If Obama wins, (and I think he will), and he does a good job as president then I will vote for him next time. Right now, Obama has yet to earn my trust and while I think McCain would have made a good Commander in Chief eight years ago, I doubt he is the right man to handle the problems facing our country today.
You must hire some pretty closed minded, uneducated employees. The notion that any intelligent human in this country at this point in the race would stay stagnant on the race issue is bewildering when there is so many more pressing issues to worry about. It's like not buying a car because you don't like the air freshener. Sounds like your employees (if this is truly an accurate representation of their combined opinions) would look for any reason to call people racists, or they only have 5th grade educations. Only the truly ignorant would make such a broad statement, without considering all other issues, while not respecting anyone's right to vote for whomever they want. Just as in the last election, if your reason's for not voting for someone are personal above all reasonable intellect, then be prepared to accept whatever hand is played, and if it bites you in the ass, so be it. You asked for it. There are, of course, racists on both sides of the coin. But America is separated by economics. Money talks first in this country.
Masterful I had some respect for you before this thread but you are just a lunatic. What an easy excuse to blame on the country if everything doesn't go your way. Wow I wish I could get away with that. If I can't find another job.. hmm IT'S RACIST. If I can't get a good house, RACIST. If I don't have a nice day, RACIST. Grow up man, seriously.
Yes, it is physically possible his aunt flew across the ocean in 2004, attended his inauguration... then never mentioned to her newly elected nephew the Senator that she was attaempting to stay in the country. EXTRAORDINARILY freakin' unlikely... but physically possible. Meantime if they to sell us this load of horsehockey, presumably you won't lecture ANYone else about "intellectual honesty". You have ZERO credibility dollars to spend. He's lying about a breach of immigration law while running to become the guy in charge of the topic. Next time you decide to address "intellectual honesty" presumably you'll let us know what specific lines you draw here. We'd be thrilled to know *which* laws it is and isn't OK to lie about. I for one wait with baited breath. Yeah, how childish of us to expect our presumptive nominee for the White House to not lie to us when asked a direct question. What were we thinking? Again. dont lecture us about intellectual honesty. You apparently dont know what it means. How sad.
That Zogby poll that the right wingers were so excited about (the one where McCain was +1 in single day polling yesterday)... well it came out tonight with Obama up +10 in the latest single day of polling. Which only makes my point of how silly it is to get excited over a single day in a tracker with a small 400 person sample. That's the problem with right wingers, they don't seem to be able to think in a logical manner. They throw out all of the other evidence in order to cherry pick the one data point that fits in with their narrative. Remember, regardless of how much Obama is up in the polls (and his lead is expanding fast according to Gallup & R2000) - make sure that you get out and vote for Barack Obama on November 4th. We don't want to leave any questions on November 5th. Go to VoteForChange.com to find your polling location! Hillary didn't do any of those things. That was all Bill. I don't understand voting for someone based on their last name. The idea that Hillary Clinton had some sort of incredible experience just from being the President's wife I find laughable. In this election Obama has proven to be a far better manager than Hillary Clinton or John McCain. Look at how they've ran their campaigns. Obama has ran a campaign that may go down in history as one of the greatest ever. McCain & Clinton certainly did not.