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Discussion in 'Google' started by kix_mc3, Oct 30, 2008.

  1. #1
    Hello all! While trying to rank my site higher and higher I am getting more and more surprises. For example. I want to optimize my site for the keyword"cars parts for sale". Searching G for that keyword you'll see on the 9th result this site oldgoldcars(dot)com

    How is this possible? Ok, it has PR3, ut how? It only has 247 backlinks with yyahoo site explorer, and my site has 3000. My site it is on 1,400,000 on alexa and that site it's in 5,582,753 . It has 11 years old, that could be the advantage?

    I am getting really confusing. My site is the one on the signature.
    Thanks.
     
    kix_mc3, Oct 30, 2008 IP
  2. anika

    anika Active Member

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    Various way it can rank higher than you. Old domain, higher PR, more related links from high PR site. Like a single link from cars.com is worth 1000s of links from low directories. Not only you should get link, but link from related sites with high PR. Which is the hard part.
     
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  3. tr1x

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    If it's a better domain (shorter or contains the keyword) and the age of the domain definitely gives them an advantage. However, keep trying and eventually your rank WILL get higher.
     
    tr1x, Oct 30, 2008 IP
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    Hello,

    His links might be of higher quality, coming from even more than PR3 sites, maybe even from authority sites. Also his links might have some age on their own while your links might be fresh.
     
    Mike_Benner, Oct 30, 2008 IP
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    Age must be a huge factor. I can't tell you how many WORTHLESS sites with almost NO links rank ahead of me for my keywords. I have thousands of backlinks from related, quality, high PR sites. The only difference as far as I can tell is that the sites ahead of me are much older and the (few) links pointing to them are much older.
     
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  6. Niche

    Niche Peon

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    I mean, you've said it yourself. An 11 year old site has a lot going for it
    Forget about the number of his links, think about the quality of the links
     
    Niche, Oct 30, 2008 IP
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    Your domain is carspartsforsale.com and you're optimizing for 'cars parts for sale', you gotta be ranking in one of the first five results if your site is not crap and has a few true backlinks.

    Yahoo counts the nofollow links as well, so it's not an indicator. Focus on getting dofollow backlinks and keep an eye on your keyword density. Google wants to bring up the most relevant results first, not whose pagerank is bigger. So you can definiteley rank better than that PR3 site.
     
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  8. canam

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    age is an important factor as it should be, but don't worry so much about them and just do your best with yourself and take it as it comes, there will always be sites that you can't outrank so don't worry too much about it

    do your best
     
    canam, Oct 30, 2008 IP
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    You already see the best example, learn where they get their backlinks and site structure.
     
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    It is because of Age of domain and highly targetted backlinks with anchor texts
     
    masterleader, Oct 31, 2008 IP
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    Don't be so sure about that...
    If the competitors keep promoting, your website may never get higher in SERP
     
    abstractart, Oct 31, 2008 IP
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    lycos Well-Known Member

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    The main reason is because the content on that site geared towards the keyword which you are searching on (other words more relevant). The ranking has nothing to do with how many backlinks you have or your traffic ranking.
     
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    Completely agree - if you don't rank # 1 for your domain name your SEO is a mess. :eek:
     
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    Quality of the backlinks and many other terms consider when giving a PR or a search engine rank.
     
    greatme, Oct 31, 2008 IP
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    AGE of the domains definitely matter.I have seen this on several keywords .
     
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  16. kix_mc3

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    The domain isn't that important. My SEO isn't a mess, you can check it out.

    Three weeks ago I was on 6th place, but when my host gone down for about 1 day, I lost everything.

    Now i'm working on getting backlinks.

    Thanks you guys for your great tips.
     
    kix_mc3, Nov 1, 2008 IP
  17. canam

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    yeah, GOOGLE is really unfair about penalizing sites that have hosting problems, I don't know why they do that, I have seen really good quality sites have a week or two downtime due to a bad hack on their hosting companies servers and it caused the site to lose PR and ranking like crazy

    IT is sad that Google penalizes a site that suffered already from a hack that was completely out of their control or being down for a bit, google should really smarten up about that stuff:mad:
     
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  18. kix_mc3

    kix_mc3 Active Member

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    Yes, but there's nothing we can do about it..

    Even Google doesn't know what's happening with their search engine ...
     
    kix_mc3, Nov 1, 2008 IP
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    age isn't such a big deal anymore. better links will win every time
     
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    It is the age and trust of the sites linking to it which are the advantage. Age helps big style. It is hard to topple an old site from some fields ref hill top algo. Too much juice and you can actually get a penalty or have a domain that G does not trustm which damages serps
     
    Valley, Nov 1, 2008 IP