Rotten liberal press. Joplin Globe endorses Obama..first Dem since 1908

You gotta hate that miserable liberal press. All they do is support Dems and liberals...and they don't give Republicans and Conservatives the time of day.

Good example.....The Joplin Globe. They just endorsed Barack Obama.

Uh...erm...uh....They haven't endorsed a Dem for President since 1908

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/15367

 

They must be anti-Americans lol

 

Nah they're socialists.

 

It cracks me up that people think endorsements matter at all. In reality, everyone has to make decision on their own behalf, and if you don't, it is usually those much more closely related to you (parents, siblings, or friends) that would have more impact on you than Colin Powell or whoever this Joplin Globe is.

 

I tend to form my own opinions long before newspaper endorsements on better known candidates. On less well known candidates and local or state issues, I'll read endorsements to help form an issue. Bond issues or smaller local elections are examples where I simply am not informed, never see a lot of press and need help.

I valued the Colin Powell endorsement differently from among many for either candidate. In the critical question of security, his is a voice of knowledge and authority. He crossed party lines to make the endorsement. He had some level of relationship or friendship with McCain. That endorsement startled me. I was also fascinated by the endorsement of William Weld, former governor of Massachusetts. I remember him while as governor. Very fiscally conservative. He took a short lived effort at being the Republican nominee for governor of New York later, and while doing so gathered the support of the state Libertarian party. He also has supported non-main stream Republican concepts such as freedom of choice and earlier in the primaries he supported and campaigned with Mitt Romney.

Those endorsements weighed with me. They were more confirmations for where I've been leaning. But they certainly have weighed with me.

In terms of the Joplin Globe....after 100 years its sort of funny.

 

Fair enough, I simply just try to read their websites and view their policies before going to the voting booth. You usually get a sense of the big things they want to change or push for, even though most of the time they try to sit in the middle on any issue.

 

They definitely don't want to rock the boat in the middle of a campaign.

 

PHP, it is obvious that there is potentially a tidal shift among even staunch conservatives away from the McCain camp and towards Obama. I am less impressed by what this means for Obama's candidacy, than I am with what these endorsements say about the state of the GOP.

Colin Powell, Susan Eisenhower, Gov. Weld, Scott McLellan, Ken Adelman, Christopher Buckley, a host of putatively conservative commentators, newspapers and other sources - personally, if I were a principled conservative GOP member, I'd be asking - what happened to my party, such that it is being abandoned in droves?

The GOP needs to return to a party that truly stands for limited government, on a principle of classical liberalism. The extreme rightward shift into declaring what is or isn't "American" along religious values (and specific religious values, at that), infecting every corner of the GOP platform, has potentially mortally wounded the party, it seems to me.

The GOP needs to take a strong, honest look inwards if it wants to avoid the obverse of Karl Rove's megalomaniacal vision - not an electoral shift yielding a "permanent GOP majority," but a fundamental shift, running precisely in the opposite direction.

 

I agree whole heartedly with this, but I'm not sure how much this would drive them to the extreme left with Obama. I can think of other motives for some of the above 'shifters.' Scott McLellan wants a job...sellout. Chris Buckley and other intelligentsia of the right are following style points. I honestly believe Colin Powells decision has to do with race, and that is forgiveable. It would be another great milestone for blacks, I just think we could wait for a black with non-socialist leanings.

 

Endorsements matter to me...I'm incapable of making up my own mind. If left to my own devices when entering the voting booth I would be like a deer in the headlights. I'm waiting to see who Britney Spears is endorsing...she seems reasonable....

 

Jazzy, respectfully, I think that most of them have gone with Obama are doing so because of what they see in his "fibre," his personal ability. "Leadership," in a word, in a trying time. Weld's endorsement may be illustrative:

As to Powell's endorsement being driven by race, I categorically disagree; but I've said a good deal as to why, and won't revisit that here, except to say that it denigrates Powell beyond reasonable belief, to me, that the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State would be so stupid as to say, in essence, "well, hell - we're both black!"

I can understand your concerns about "socialism," though I wouldn't go as far as to call it literally so. But then, you'd also have to oppose McCain, on the same grounds. Can I presume you're not a McCain supporter, for the same reason?

 

Far be it for me to presume where and how the Repubs should move forward.

I believe over a couple of decades the Party has skewed dramatically right in a variety of ways (social/religeous perspective; no tax versus small government are two examples). Even as this has occurred it has maintained most of its membership, most of its support, and a solid phalanx of voters.

In doing so it has dominated Presidential elections since 1980.

This election is the one that is showing cracks in that solid approach. A variety of solid Republicans, for a variety of reasons have come out to support Obama and turn their backs on the Republican candidate.

In a sense its ironic. McCain has been very representative, on a host (but not all) of issues, of this less Rightist perspective. Upon winning the nomination and prior to the two primaries, his nomination "scared off" a potential 3rd party/ centrist oriented candidacy from Bloomberg, the current mayor of NYC.

In any case following the election the Party will face severe challenges in moving forward as significant members that don't reflect the more Right Wing perspectives have loudly shown their perspective. It will be a challenge.

Similarly, the Libertarian perspective is challenging the Republican Party on a number of fronts, though from different perspectives than the centrists.

 

Still sounds like style to me. Great leadership over a cliff.

I only support McCain on the lesser of 2 evils principle. Since the race is close he will get my vote, otherwise I tend to go Libertarian.

BTW I appreciate your respectful argument style.

 

I agree about 1980. Reagan proved that conservative principles will win elections. But I disagree that Republicans have stayed to the right, but have drifted left with spending. And McCain is the most liberal Repub I can think of. There were so many good conservative candidates in the primary that the right vote was watered down, leaving us with McCain.

 

Thanks.

But give it time - there are one or two on here that find me to be the devil incarnate.

 

Really? I had the count at at least 4...

 

LOL - Well, pretty sure Mia wouldn't want to have a beer, nor Firegirl. Ah, crap - forgot Gtech and debunked, that's a quatrain, Homebiz and Simply, that's a sextrain. (Did I just really say sextrain?). Suspect Bogart is leaning, but is intrigued. Anyone else I'm missing? Any other Northpoint-haturz want to step forward?

 

Why yes sir, yes you did

P.S. I just can't have you being the most hated liberal in P&R. I shall contest!

 

I think if Obama wins and the dems get 2/3 of congress this will be a good thing for the republican party.

 

The Gop had a chance to look inward when Ron Paul pointed out that they have lost their way. Can we say neocons. Come on everyone say it.
This is why i wouldnt vote for either Obama or Mccain.