I dont know why joe the plumber was a huge topics. I just know that Joe Wurzelbacher rep was ruined. McCain should stop mentioning Joe as well, it just adds fuel to the media fire on Joe.
I did not think Joe said anything to even make a fuss. I heard him on a TV program and he stated he was a plumber he just didn't own a company. If I am not mistaken the media is reporting that he is not a plumber at all.
Joe is an unlicensed plumber who makes $40,000ish dollars. He owes taxes. And other as well. What company will hire Joe now,since everyone in the US knows he is an unlicensed plumber. And it was proven clearly that Joe wont be affected by Obama tax plan, and that if, and this is a huge if he buys a plumbing company it wont be taxed on gross. But what plumbing company will he buy for $250,000 when, he is self-employed and unlicensed. It would of made more sense if he said he wanted to start a plumbing business. His rep was ruined.
It's Ok. So long as McCain is using joe-gimmicks he'll continue to drop in the polls. Good news for all.
lol, and my friend told me this joke as well, it was funny because it was true. What didn't McCain do for Joe and Sarah?
Just maybe, powel doesnt believe that the republican party is truely representing what true republicans are supposed stand for. All the better for pro ron paul politicians(the true republicans).
Colin Powell considered running for President in 1995. Powell was two years retired from the army and polls showed as a frontrunner. However, Colin Powell ruled out running for President because his wife feared he would be killed. Good article -- "Odd Man Out" about Powell's role in the Bush Administration that was printed in Time Magazine a week before September 11, 2001. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101010910-173441,00.html
Bogart, while I appreciate your thoughts on Colin Powell otherwise, this post doesn't answer the question. A few people here and elsewhere- e.g., Homebizseo, Rush Limbaugh - have said Colin Powell endorsed Obama because of his race. You earlier joined that opinion, and linked to an article stating the same, an article that turned out to be false in its deliberate skew of what Powell actually said. You have been among those most vigorous in denouncing Obama as a kind of Islamic terrorist plant, among other things, and I've asked you - given that the article you linked to and quoted from was a lie: Do you still maintain Powell endorsed Obama because of their shared ethnicity? Do you dismiss Powell's reasons as stated on Meet the Press as a kind of cover for his "true feelings," or something based in race and not what he said with Brokaw? It's not an attack, Biz; it's an assessment of your views, supported by the plethora of your posts on Obama that have reached to anything under the sun to justify your stated position, encapsulated, I suppose, in your earlier statement (and affirmation again as late as today) that the man is "qualified to be a janitor," and precious "little else." I stand by what I said.
Powell made his decision to support Obama. If race played a part in his decision, I'm not really concerned either way. Powell has also said that he remains a Republican. Powell said the following concerning Obama: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/19/powell.transcript/ Vince Foster comes to mind when I read about this. Three openly homosexual memebers of the former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ—the same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20 years- were murdered in 40 days of each other around November 2007 to December 2007, Donald Young, a 47-year-old choir master and two other young black men that attended the same church—Larry Bland and Nate Spencer—were also murdered execution style with bullets to the backs of their heads—all within 40 days of each other, beginning in November 2007. All three were openly homosexual. Here's a interesting site that I just came across. The Clinton Body Count The long list of people associated with Bill Clinton who have ended up dead http://www.akdart.com/body-c.html
I think you are right it would have more sense if he stated "he wanted to buy a company." I have not followed the story nor do I want to, I am just amazed that the media ran with the story when there are so many more important headlines to be concerned with. You know like the Freddie Mae cover up and who should be charged or the Campaign fraud.
But you were concerned enough to make it your opening post, Bogart, right out of the gate. I'm sorry, I find this tack much like John McCain's "I don't really care about a washed up terrorist....but I'm going to make it the centerpiece of my entire campaign for weeks on end." You impugned Colin Powell with your opening post, and by saying "it's a race thing," it seems apparent you sought to diminish his endorsement's legitimacy. Are you or are you not making the claim Powell did it for racial reasons? Are you refusing to answer? I have no idea where you're going with the attempt to seemingly connect some conspiracy theory dots, the Powell endorsement-Vince Foster-the "Trinity Church" "Homosexual Tryst" Murders. As before, when Mia was attempting to build a conspiracy around a "homosexual lover's quarrel" with Obama, joining this to the smear you and he had been making for months, that Obama was a terrorist plant/black nationalist/traitor, it is a ridiculous attempt to make, and I will not revisit it yet again, as I have exhaustively dealt with it for months already. The subject is Powell's endorsement, and your statement that it was for racial reasons. I've asked you whether you truly or still believe this, or merely posted this to somehow impugn the legitimacy of Powell's endorsement. LOL - yep, it's the media and its fellow travelers, "liberals" that always divert the campaign from the issues. Not the 41 fucking times John McCain used "Joe the Plumber" what, 40 times, something like that, during the final debate?. Not the continual use by Sarah Palin in her rallies, either? Always there for some good comedy.
I don't believe that there were any racial reasons why Powell decided to support Obama. But diversity probably played a part in Powell's decision to endorse Obama just as diversity plays a part in affirmative action. Collin Powell says race should be factor Calling himself a "strong proponent" of affirmative action, Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday that he believes race should play a role in university admissions. "I wish it was possible for everything to be race-neutral in this country, but I'm afraid we're not yet at that point where things are race-neutral," Powell said on CNN's "Late Edition." "I believe race should be a factor among many other factors in determining the makeup of a student body of a university." http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/19/powell.race/
I don't understand how the two sentences live in the same logical universe. Beyond, are you trying to argue that Powell's endorsement is some kind of affirmative action example?
I don't mind Powell giving Obama his endorsement based on race but Powell's view on affirmative action is twisted logic. It's that same logic that caused the banks to crash. Jobs and College admissions should be based on qualifications not on the race of a person.
lolz. But hey if Powell's endorsement was racist then every white retired General who endorsed McCain is a racist and they just don't want a black man in the White House by that logic. No matter whether they laid out perfectly logical reasons why they supported him or not. It's all just racism right?
Powell's position on affirmative action is clear. He believes that race should be a factor among many other factors. It DOESN'T make Powell a racist if he used race as a factor in endorsing Obama.
Ok so the affirmative action argument and Powell's endorsement of Obama are 2 separate discussions right? No one is trying to insinuate that Powell thinks the office of President should be subject to affirmative action or anything, correct?
Bogart, I know you've long had an issue with Obama because you've argued for a long time that he is, in effect, an Islamic terrorist plant/black nationalist/traitor wolf in sheep's clothing. But regarding this Powell endorsement, sorry, but sincerely - what the hell do you believe?