Saudi woman arrested for witchcraft by "religious police" sentenced to death

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  1. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #81
    the charges are made based on their law. not based on my opinion.
    The laws of each country is different based on the social factors. She has to follow the laws of her country.
     
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  2. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #82
    And their law says sorcery and witchcraft is illegal. If sorcery is impossible, which it obviously is, Then any convictions for it are unjust. What part of that are you having trouble grasping?

    They can have a law saying it's illegal to turn into elephants if they want, But the fact that people can't turn into elephants means any conviction for it is a travesty of justice.
     
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  3. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #83
    it could be defined as the ability of convincing people of things that can not be proven by science as they know it.
    i have already shown that she could be responsible for his impotence.
    i do not think anyone should be executed but i rather work on the laws where i live and let the other people decide on their own.
     
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  4. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #84
    You mean you wished it could be defined in a way which makes your position easier to defend.

    yeah it's possible. Is it possible that she caused it through magic though? Because that is specifically the crime she is going to be killed for.
     
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  5. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #85
    magic can be anything. bring the law so we can talk about it. again if she claims magic then that is against their law.
     
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  6. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #86
    No, magic can't be anything. We all know what magic is, We all know what sorcery is and we all know what witrchcraft is. if you want to pretend to be ignorant that's fine, But don't pretend there is widespread confusion regarding what simple words mean in order to employ your tactic of obfuscation.

    I don't know if she claims to be capable of magic, But that doesn't matter, For it to be a sound conviction she actually has to be capable of performing magic, Because that is the "crime" she has been convicted of.
     
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    #87
    lol....yah...unfortunatly he is probably western educated and doesnt believe in that hocuspocus... doesnt mind running the country on that basis though...

    Vote domocrat
     
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    #88
    Stories like these make me glad to live in the USA!
     
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    #89
    sorcery and witchcraft are not impossible.
     
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    #90
    It sounds like "fair trials" in SA are though;)
     
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    #91
    That might be a bit problematic...from a Human Rights Watch report

    Full text here:
    http://www.hrw.org/reports/1997/saudi/Saudi-03.htm

    Yes, they are. If you think you, or anyone else, can prove otherwise, the James Randi Educational Foundation has a standing prize of one million dollars to prove it under controlled conditions.
     
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    #92
    So you are saying she possibly could have caused impotence through magic spells? and this after you said "I don't think a person could cause impotence through practicing witchcraft". I think it would be easier all round, especially for you, If you actually picked a position and stood by it. You seem to feel compelled to deny the existence of magic when backed into a corner, But propose the possibility of it when you need a reason to defend the execution of an illiterate Saudi woman.

    Have a think - I know it's an alien concept but have a go - And get back to us when you have this straightened out.
     
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  13. homebizseo

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    #93
    I don't think a person can mutter three words and cause impotence. I think people practice sorcery and witchcraft. They do poison people and get high and also practice their nonsense. That's a fact. I have doubts about your article being accurate. I searched several Middle Eastern news sources and found next to nothing and what I did find was sourced back to the same writer. Usually the Middle Eastern sources will cast a different view on a high profile case.
     
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    #94
    Meh, I know girls who can talk a man into impotency. No magick necessary. As for sorcery, I believe everyone is referring to shooting lightning out of one's fingertips? I think that would be pretty easy to convince someone of with the proper technology and some good ol smoke and mirrors, but that's not what she is accused of is it?
     
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    #95
    Poisoning someone is not sorcery.
     
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    #96
    What is it exactly that "the self proclaimed practitioner of sorcery" do then?
     
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    #97
    Depends on who you are asking. I do think lightning bolts from the fingertips would probably qualify in most rural areas. It might not impress the city folk as much.
     
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    #98
    From what I read in the article she's not a "self proclaimed" anything. Beating someone until they fingerprint a confession they can't even read is not an admission of guilt. It's a witch hunt.

    No court in the civilised world would consider that a "confession". The fact that Saudi courts believe someone can be bewitched is just one more reason why Islam needs to be contained until its practitioners are ready to step into the 21st century.
     
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    #99
    I don't think that article is accurate. One can not draw an accurate conclusions without more research.
     
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    #100
    Come on, why is the article not accurate?, you have no other sources you say. Are you just inclined to believe fairy tales of "magic"? (be honest);)
     
    Toopac, Oct 17, 2008 IP