Armed Illegal Aliens and Mexican marijuana cartels take over US National Parks

Bump. There are also counterfeit goods being produced of other items, extremely small in comparison.

Actually it can be. Many drugs are less addictive than alcohol. Those that are more addictive all the more reason to legalize and quality control.

Facts by actually living it, knowing those in it. Facts like prohibition and the like? How about the fact that by the product being illegal it makes it easier for children to get than alcohol?

It's not that hard to comprehend. Licensed businesses make and dispense the product, in order to be able to dispense the product they add onto the product price counseling. Each time the person comes in to purchase the individual must sit down and talk about their options available other than drugs.

The very fact of it being illegal makes it worthwhile for the cartels, if you make it legal the cartels would fold overnight. It's not rocket science.

 

Increasing the fine would help raise money from the illegal activity.

 

Oh yes, increase the fine on people who already can't pay the fine being levied against them. Making their lives that much worse off and more willing and apt to go back to drugs.

Such great powerful commentary you bring to the discussion.

Lets raise the fines and jail time to the steroid users 'you dont' want busted' as well shall we?

 

Why are you so against steroids a legal substance?

 

Homebiz we already had this disussion which I proved steroids are not a 'legal' substance.

They are 'legal' only with a prescription and even then only certain types.

That is far from 'legal' but I know if you admit to that it destroys your entire weak attempt at being the anti drug guy.



Using your 'logic' morphine is legal as well, so is cocaine.

 

my weed in home grown. =)

 

Are you growing it in a National Park?

 

You did not prove anything. What a crock. You can get them from a DR. My argument is put them over the counter like they do in Mexico.

I am now the anti-drug guy?

Grim you are a tool and you can do all the drugs you want and I do not care. Snort your brain outs, blow out your heart and fry the brain cells that your prerogative. I don't care. But don't get on welfare and pay your medical bills.

Each welfare person should be tested for drugs.

 

Homebiz I did in fact prove it..

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=8238199#post8238199

Homebiz I suggest you look into items before you spout off acting like you know something.

According to your logic cocaine and morphine are 'legal'

If I am a 'tool' what does that make you?

I actually don't use drugs, I however prefer personal liberty, low taxes and the best method to a healthy and free nation. The war on drugs causes more harm than good.

You've been proven fully wrong Homebiz per usual, next time would you please read up before trying to make an argument?

 

You are wrong as usual. personal liberty is great until it interferes with others then its a crime. Lock up the dealers.

 

Your post is total gibberish.

If a being able to purchase a prescription drug makes that drug legal to you - then THC, cocaine, Vicodin, and virtually every drug is legal and should be sold over the counter according to your criteria. You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about - but why should this thread be different from all the others you post on.

 

So homebiz comes back with his famous 'I know you are but what am I' and totally bypasses that cocaine, morphine, and others that are common street drugs are 'legal' using his own logic.

Homebiz I have never known someone with as much balls as you 'or is it stupidity' to claim the other person is wrong when they have been proven to be totally wrong.

If you honestly believe you proved me wrong I must ask you to seek help as something is not wired properly to say the least.

BTW how does someone smoking a joint in their own home 'interfere' with others?

 

How is it gibberish DR?

 

Drugs less addictive than alcohol aren't the problem. I still think comparing prohibition to the current drug problem is unfair.

I've been there too. Illegal or not they will get it if they want it. Again, the key is keeping the youth from going that direction in the first place. It's hands down the easiest, and most direct way to chip away at the problem.

So how again are the poor (most largely affected demographic) going to afford a laboratory produced drug, when they can't afford prescription medication? Certainly the purchase costs would be similar, maybe even more, if companies were producing quality versions, and providing counseling. Why did people start doing crack? Because it was cheaper than coke. Fact is, addicts want large amounts of dope, for the cheapest price, something the local dealer will always be able to provide.

This is why our arguments are so different. Drugs coming off the streets will always be cheaper, regardless of them being legal or not. I can cook crack on my stove and sell it for cheaper than what any legitimate business could ever do. Drug cartels would not fold.

 

The national park may be the best place to grow it.

You can brand it "Yellow Stone"

 

They aren't the problem, yet many of them are illegal.

How is it unfair? The banning of drugs created a revenue stream for crime.

Sure the easiest is keeping the youth from going for it. Making it illegal how they have now however makes it EASIER for kids to get than harder. It's easier to get for youth that liquor!

Actually if you look at prices the illegal product is much more than a generic version of a prescribed medication, very much so.
A 'quality controlled' product is also safer and can be less addictive.

I am not talking about an hour counseling, a quick sit down, 5-10 minute talk laying out options before it is dispensed. Padding the price slightly would more than cover the cost, while still bringing a better quality product for less, keeping it away from youth far more than the current system does.

They would fold. You honestly do not get the illegal nature of it at all.
The only reason the underground is willing to take the risk is because of the HUGE profits. If the drug was legalized and controlled the profits would shrink, making it not worthwhile to even try to sell illegally.

You honestly have no clue how the underground system works, the drug dealing aspect, the profits to be made.

In order to 'cook crack' you must first buy the coke, you can not buy coke anywhere near the cost of what a major corporation could, or as efficient as a major corporation, or as good of quality, or as safe.

 

How do you measure the addictiveness? Do you know that alcohol is the only drug that causes a withdrawal that people commonly die from?

The current policies are failing that goal. Marijuana is much easier for minor to get than alcohol because of the massive amount of unregulated black market "retailers".

I wouldn't bet on this. Medicines are usually highly priced because of either patents, lack of competition, or because they require a high level of resources or capital to produce. Black market prices are usually inflated because of risk being priced in. Marijuana, for example is for the most part a low value weed. It's literally a weed. What has made it so ungodly costly on the streets is lack of supply and the risk associated with producing and selling it.
So I think your premise that street drugs are cheap, may be a false one.

 

I agree it's extremely easy, but it will always be easy.

I left out a lot of stuff, we are just basically running in circles. I have interpreted things around me, and experiences differently than you. It doesn't mean "I don't get it", nor does it mean I'm wrong. Your entitled to your ideas, and you present them well. I feel certain parts of your argument are indeed valid.

 

If only dispensed in legal settings with extreme controls the ability for youth to get the dangerous drugs would subside dramatically.

You do not understand the aspect of how gangs make money off of drugs being illegal, if you don't understand that you can not even being to comprehend the fact that if legalized the money would not be in it for the gangs to continue to do so in the level they do now.

 

Oxy is "controlled, and legal", yet it's one of the most abused drugs by teenagers. A measurable reduction? Probably not.

Again I understand it perfectly well. I'm not denying that "illegal" drugs drive up the profits. I just believe that the industry could take losses, and still be profitable enough on a street level, enough not to make any dramatic changes. Your argument is largely based on breaking the supply, mine is largely based on breaking the demand. Why not a mixture of the two?