Using your office and or allowing your spouse to use your office to try to force the firing of someone because of internal family issues is 'petty'?
At first I though it was petty however, someone lost there job from what I understand. That might be a tough loss considering the economic times.
she already did. I think it is the only time that both President and VP candidate have been investigated for ethic violations.
From what I heard last night, this panel was truly bipartisan. Not bipartisan like in washington where it just means both dems and reps but bipartisan in that neither party had more influence over this than the other. Think I heard that on MSNBC. And it may have been petty for her to do what she did, but it's not petty that she did it.
I dont know, im really not familiar with the situation. For me it would depend on what the guy did that was soooo bad, she thought he should lose his job. If he raped her, i say more power to her, abuse away. If he called her a name. Id say it was unwarranted. All and all its a tough call. Due process should always be given, but, if she was raped, or something as bad, and you look at it from a personal view, it would be very hard to NOT do something when you have the power to. But like i said i dont know the full story, i will be looking into it though
How many cells does it take before you will call it human? I don't agree with the scientific definition of what you call a "human being". You have chosen your definition and I have chosen mine. I am right and you are wrong. I thought that the brother-in-law was a bad cop that was not fired for whatever reason. I'm a little vague as well.
I just don't see how some claim it's not a human or alive. The numbers of abortions given each year is appalling.
there are legal and ethical way that should have been used to determine if and what he was guilty of, and i am sure there were procedure to deal with him once a determination of guilt is made. What she did went beyond that. She tried to be above the law. They tried to use their elected office to infulence the result of an investigation and punishment of the trooper. what would make this really important is that mccain did not care about her ethical issues and picked her. what the hell was he thinking. He should write a book Human being is an air breathing animal. fetus does not breath air untill is born. That is when the fetus becomes a human being. before that it is just a part of the mother's body.
I still ike her better than Biden, Obama , and McCain. What she did was not near as bad as the other three taking donations from the failed banking industry or Obama misusing fund to give to his church.
Abortion and whether the fetus is a living being has been in debate since time immemorial. Journals and papers had been published arguing both sides of the case. I guess each of us have our own preconceived opinions on this and lets leave it at that instead of trying to prove each others' wrong. The forum isn't big enough if we were to really have some indepth arguments over this. More than enough 80 000 words thesis had been written and tons of papers published and there is no conclusion.....
We also need to remember that we are talking about an appointed position. She appointed the guy to the position. She fired him from the same position. It was her spot to give and her spot to take away.
how long have you known her? why isn't it as bad when a politician wants to benefit herself directly by abusing her powers. what are you talking about in obama's case? what she did sounds a lot like what alberto did. he had to resign and i hope she will be forced out from her gov office also.
Right, that is why they basically said she did not violate any law with respect to firing him. Her violations of Alaska Ethics Law was about using her position and her husband using her position to try and have her sister's ex husband fired from his government job. That is the problem with her behavior. Using her position as Governor to advance a personal vendetta. It was wrong, she got caught, and she and Todd still make no apology for their willing and unrepentant violation of the ethics laws that are in place to prevent precisely this type of behavior.
I have not met her personally yet. It is bad if it is true Obama sent large sums of money to his church when he was a community organizer. Obama and McCain were taking large sums of money from floundering banks. I just think that is worst.
how long do you know of her? do not play games unless you want me to play also. She and her husband did try to influence the result of the troopers investigation to their liking. what if she was not the gov. It should have not been a difference. every politician takes money from supporters for their campaign. As long as they do not do anything unethical, it should not be a problem. where did he sent the money to his church from?
I don't know. it's a bit like asking when exactly does a child physically become an adult. while we can't define exactly when a child becomes an adult we can say, with absolute certainty, That a 2 year old is a child and and 50 year old is an adult, regardless if we can pin point the instant when the change occurs or not. The same is true with embryos. While we can't pinpoint the instant that a collection of cells becomes a person we can say, with absolute certainty, That an unordered collection of cells is not a person and a fetus just before birth is. See, the trouble with that is you have just exposed yourself as someone who ignores definitions of words if they don't happen to support your preconceived conclusions. If the definition of "human being" doesn't support your claim that an embryo is a human being you simply ignore the definition of the word and continue to refer to it as a human in order to make your fatuous, fallacious appeals to emotion.
To sum it all up, her husband made the calls, multiple calls, she knew about it, and did not stop him. There were also other calls from her office. her husband and the people working directly under her are assumed to act on her behalf, she should have stopped them. That is where she made the lapse in judgment and hence the violation of ethics. They also said the her accusation of fear because of threats "appeared" to be to cover up the initial ethics violation. Ethics, and Cover up are not good words to have said about you when you are running for office. Don't worry, in grand Republican fashion, they blame Obama supporters for skewing the investigation, and are now gearing up for the mother of all smear campaigns that we haven't seen the likes of since McCarthyism. They are going to be using pictures of terrorists in their T.V. ads, and questioning Obama's patriotism, character..they may even talk about his mother before it's all over. So get ready boys and girls, the party of Abe Lincoln is about to burn and destroy everything on the way out of the door taking a good number of Senators up for re-election with them and any respect that America still had for McCain into the crapper....Oh, are we still talking about abortion ?
Do you run a clinic? I started reading and researching her spring 08. I first heard of her when she was running for Governor. It's just unethical that politicians were taking millions from banks that they ended up sending billions to. Obama was board member on the Woods Fund and he sent large sums of money to Trinity United Church.
Says who? Who are you to disagree with my definition of a "human being"? There is no solution. I won't yield. You won't yield. I think you are wrong. You think I am wrong. I don't see this as a problem at all. You have your definition and I have mine. I say, "I forbid you to have an abortion". You say, "Screw you." Does that sound about right?