The Sarah Palin Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by stOx, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. simplyg123

    simplyg123 Well-Known Member

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    #1601
    sad sad sad:rolleyes:
     
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  2. homebizseo

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    #1602
    Be my guest you are allowed to throw mud at McCain all you want and even talk about him as a Pow. If you think him being a POW is an issue discuss away.
     
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  3. LogicFlux

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    #1603
    You don't think letting communism spread through Asia, through Europe and through Latin American could or would have eventually lead to making the continental US more vulnerable? Should Kennedy have just shrugged off the missiles that Moscow put in Cuba as well?

    What could and would have happened if we had not fought vigorously against communism is the exact opposite of what is happening now around Russia.
    Whoever came out of the cold war as the winner was bound to spread their values around the world at a more aggressive pace.
    Look at the people complaining on this very board that the US is "setting up" democracies around the world, including around Russia's border. Russia doesn't like that we are supporting democracies on its border. The exact same thing could have happened had the USSR came away as the victor. But instead of propping up allies who are free societies in our hemisphere, they would be propping up enslaved societies and governments who were indeed puppet states of Moscow.
    You can't predict the future. You can't say with certainty that "the only way communism would have 'taken over the US' is if our elected officials staged a violent overthrow of our representative democracy and *replaced* it with communism".

    Sitting back and pretending that an evil influence, which is spreading by force, cannot effect you directly is foolish. The reason we treat small cuts/sores is not because they probably won't heal on their own, but because of the potential of them to become worse and require a much more intensive treatment than if we had started fighting it from the beginning.

    Do you think Kennedy was spoon feeding the masses or being spoon fed himself when he gave his speech in Berlin?

    Why could you not replace every instance of Berlin in Kennedy's famous speech with South Vietnam or South Korea and keep the intentions and ideals of JFK's message intact?
     
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  4. hmansfield

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    We have millions in our military, many from the Vietnam era, but more importantly from Desert Storm, Lebanon, and Desert Shield. This is not Vietnam, and McCain spent most of that captured anyway. We have strong experienced Military leaders in the Army , Navy, Air Force and marines ..Ones that have fought and are fighting this enemy. Not one from 40 years ago.
    No one is trying to take any of your constitutional rights ! Where do you guys keep getting this crap? George Bush enacted legislation to wire tap, spy, conduct unreasonable search and seizure, and arrest and hold Americans indefinitely in the Patriot act, and you are just now worried about your rights ?
    You already voted those away in the last election.
    20 years that he has supported the exact deregulation that put us in this financial mess that we are in, while his portfolio has grown. Thank God his support of privatizing social security didn't work, or that would be gone too. The only thing he has done in 20 years is build his personal wealth and make friends with insiders.
    He is now the (at least) 9th richest Senator on the floor, out of 100. (Based on what he reported :rolleyes:)
    No it's not ! He won't even refute the hate and incidents of voter intimidation on his own campaign trail. How the hell is he supposed to unite the country when he won't even control his own supporters, or at the very least show his disgust for some of their actions ?
    George Bush in 2000 called McCain a Washington Insider
    with ties to close to special interest groups who have legislation in front of his committee. Not technically illegal, but certainly borderline unethical.
    Neither do I , My Mom, My 7th Grade School Teacher, or most Americans. And neither does U.S. Senator Barack Obama. So stop with that nonsense "sore loser" rhetoric.

    But he does not only have ties to the lobbyist that helped collapse our financial markets, he ACTUALLY EMPLOYS 159 of them in his campaign !

    He also invested heavily in mortgages at the height of the boom...around the same time he claims to have "warned " Washington about the instability of the industry.
    His portfolio has grown by 100 million dollars and has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar during our last Financial Disaster of the Savings and Loans Collapse.
    He has put MCcain first.
    No reason to throw away the entire country to support a RELIGIOUS agenda. There is no place for that. Religious freedom means all of us, not just you. If you don't believe in it, then don't do it., but don't try and legislate your moral agenda to everyone else.

    What about those rights you were just bitching about ? Or Are you the only one that gets them ?
    When ? He now claims he knows how to get Osama Bin Ladin...where the hell has he been for the last 20 years, and why did he vote to send 160,000 troops into a country where we knew he wasn't ?
    What ever happened to those WMD's that were supposed to be in Iraq ? Never found them did we? Meanwhile Bin Laden gets away with murder in a completely different country.

    That Marine barracks bombing that he keeps claiming he was against, that happened in 82, they were deployed there before McCain was even a Congressman. Outright Lie.
    Who Doesn't ?
    And yet he makes a big deal to suspend his campaign to support the Economic Bailout that was littered with pork for Wooden Arrow Makers and Rum Producers (Since he is Invested heavily in Beer and Liquor Companies), instead of keeping the task at hand.

    What happened to that "Old Pen"? What Happened to "the first earmarked , pork barrel legislation that comes across my desk, I will not only Veto it, but you will know their names an I will make them famous " ? Where was all that crap from the convention ?

    The most important piece of legislation of the last 8 years, and he still supported it with hundreds of millions in pork attached to it, that benefited his personal stock portfolio. He missed a golden opportunity to show what he was made of, and he completely turned the other way.
    It's pretty weak. What else you got ? :)
     
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  5. homebizseo

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    #1605
    Wait Its been proven that Obama has ties to Ayers.

    How many black children are killed each year through abortions. Planned parenthood is committing genocide directed towards minorities.


    I am glad Obama voted against that bailout and also that Obama is against raising taxes and not eliminating tax breaks in these tough economic times.
     
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    They worked on the same charity ! They didn't stage a violent overthrow of the government together. Besides that, Ayers has never been convicted of anything. Nothing ! "He is the suspected mastermind...." So you are going to now attack someone for knowing someone else who was never convicted of anything....is that how it goes ?

    Even so...have you ever worked on a committee or charity ? You don't have any control over who else is on the committee, either with you, or before you got there.
    If that is all you have is that, then by all means , waste the last 25 days trying to make it into something.

    Lesnik and other observers point, for example, to McCain and his supporter's affiliations with long-time anti-Castro activists like Roberto Martin Perez. Perez, a member of numerous Cuban exile groups who appears in a recent McCain campaign ad, is one of the chief sponsors of a campaign to free Eduardo Arocena, the Cuban exile leader of the alleged terrorist group, Omega 7.
    - I am sure you have read this already

    That is sooooo weak and pathetic. I can't stop laughing at how low, and disparate you are willing to go. I can't even give you a "nice Try" on that one. That's just sad:(

    Planned Parenthood also helps plenty of white suburban teens who are scared to go to their parents, out of a jam. Believe me, they know which clinics in "the city" to go to , to get help when they need it.

    As I said, throw away the country and the election because you don't believe in abortion ? It is not up to you or anyone else to legislate morality or religious beliefs. Just as you have the right to believe in it...others have the right not to.

    We don't legislate beliefs in America. If that were the case, the Jews would legislate Christmas illegal across the country.


    <edited> As far as Obama voting for the bailout...He is not running his campaign on the same principles as McCain, so how can you compare McCains short comings, and back pedaling to Obama. Obama has stood firm on his issues. Every defensive answer is not, "But Obama did it."

    And AGAIN. He is not raising your taxes, just closing the loopholes that those making 250k have enjoyed for over 12 years.PLEASE READ THE FRICKEN TAX PLAN ! They will now pay their fair share. if you don't want to pay U.S. taxes, go to Costa Rica and hire your own security to protect your money and health and welfare.
     
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  7. pizzaman

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    #1607
    this is how bush beat mccain. talk about him being a songbird. I am just repeating the pugs
     
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  8. simplyg123

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    So all of a sudden Bush's tactics or valid by you. So valid you use them yourself.

    Sounds like a double standard to me
     
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    #1609
    it is a lot better that what palin is doing. I learned. what made then not valid for you?
     
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    #1610
    He got off on a technically, illegal wire tapping and he has bregged about his terroist action. You may support Aeyers, McVeigh and other terrorist but I do not think it is in the best interest of the US.

    Yes they worked together and that's what Obama should have said other than it was just a just a guy in my neighborhood.



    Planned Parent does not help in anyway. They commit murder.

    Abortion
    Abortion
     
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    Don't even try and twist it that I support terrorist. Weak.
    AGAIN.. YOUR Belief. The Law disagrees with you, and supports EVERYONE'S BELIEF, not just your agenda!

    So since you feel so strongly about the Right To Life Movement, then I guess you support the Domestic terrorist activity of Bombing Abortion Clinics and Killing abortion doctors, right ?
    Since it is for what you believe in, then it is not really Domestic Terrorism..right ?

    [Check]

    And last but not least, what about Mccains connection to G.Gordon Liddy ? The mastermind of the Watergate Scandal ?
    This guy is McCain's friend, he has been on his show, and he was actually convicted of something that was borderline treason against the U.S. Government.

    [...and Mate]
     
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    #1612
    McCain should have picked that guy for VP. He honestly seems smarter to me than Palin.
     
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    #1613
    I don't think you or Obama is a terrorist I just have a problem with Obama denial.

    I do not not support the bombing of clinics or any other American targets. Its still murder regardless of if abortion is legal or not.

    Abortion
     
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    Sorry. I re-edited that post. I believe I have "Check Mate" :)
     
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    #1615
    No check mate Harold, you are still searching for Bobby Fisher.

    Murder is Murder whether it is bombing targets or giving abortions.
     
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    planned parenthood is a great organization offering an array of services.
    fetus is not a human being. There is no murder.
    If you have the capacity of talking about this rationally and not emotionally, i would love a little debate on this.
     
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    Dude. This is not a referendum on the ballot about abortion. It's for President of the United States. All of it, not just religious beliefs.

    I forgot to mention the Todd Palin ( You know, Sarah Palin's Husband ?) as a registered member of the separatist group Alaskan Independence Party until 2002.
    Multiple sources including this one.
    I am sure you remember them, they are the political party who wanted Alaska to separate from the U.S.

    If Ayers is all you have, keep it coming. McCain Palin have waaaayy more anti-American skeletons in their perspective closets.
     
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    Wrong, its still murder and I am glad your mother did not go the route to commit murder.

    I am not bringing up abortion through a religious standpoint. It just murder.
     
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    I wish your mother would have visited them.
     
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    #1620
    no fetus is not human being. and it would not have mattered if i was never born. I wouldn't know or care.
     
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