The Sarah Palin Thread

Im all for given homosexual the same rights as married couples, its the term i would want to protect. The term marriage is a religious ceremony, between a man and woman, its a celebration of gods gift, and it would be offensive to allow homosexuals to take part in it, due to biblical standards.

Give them tax breaks, give them the insurance, but call it something other than marriage. Religion is also a right and its principles should not be altered to include those that dont even believe in those principles.


Homosexuality defies the natural order of man. We were given sexual organs to reproduce not for recreation with the same sex. The bible not only says that its an abomination, the act goes against everything the entire bible proclaims, like lust. This act is one of self gratification, it in no way glorifies the church or god.

Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet."

This is a new testament verse, not an old testament, but a "new" testament. God gave homosexuals up to vile affections

Why in the world would homosexuals want to be a part of this?

Like i said, leave marriage for the religious, and come up with your own legal binding.

 

sara is one of you. bush is one of you. what is wrong with you?

 

Sarah is in the business of cleaning up people like Bush, and McCain has opposed Bush on many things. Get your facts straight. This will be an administration of reform, with experience to back it up

 

I don't believe this is the case. Obama is promising 1 trillion in socialist handouts. My thinking is that McCain is planning on reducing the size of government

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I think that I read that somewhere also. The difference is that Obama plans to tax the "rich", and big businesses.

Obama plans on removing the Bush tax cuts. I'm not sure what tax increases McCain has in mind.

McCain would be smart tonight if he were to hammer Obama on the effects of his capital gains tax on the US economy.

The biggest reason that I will not vote for Obama is his socialist agenda. I just hate the idea of my tax dollars being given away. If I want to donate to charity, that should be my choice. Socialism removes the incentive to achieve and reenforces the behaviors of the underachievers.

I think that Obama would be more likely to increase the size of government and grow the deficit than McCain.

I would invite you to cast your vote AGAINST socialism and big government. While you plan to vote for Ron Paul, I think that your vote may be more effective if you were to vote for McCain bot because you like him, but rather as a vote agains the policies of Obama.

Well, there it is. I've said it. Blast away.

 

Marriage has existed for eons, before religion and certainly before christianity. I could use the same logic and say that you, a christian, shouldn't get "married" because "marriage" is a pagan ritual and it would be offensive to allow you, a christian, to take part in it, Due to pagan standards.

You can't invent cults and then hijack words. A "marriage" is a "JOINING", Simple as that. It has absolutely no origins in christianity and you frankly have a nerve trying to claim it as your own.

The fact is "marriage" (the word or the ritual) has no origins in christianity, and as such your religion has no business trying to dictate who is allowed to call themselves "married". Regardless what your primitive book of mythology says.

 

check out my sig link lol he is all bush. Maybe sara wants to clean out all the republicans in the govt including mccain and palin.
i think mccain knows that he will lose, and just wants it to be with respectable numbers. he just wants to get his base scared into supporting him. he is trailing with about 100 EV
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

 

There have been many independent studies which estimate McCain will in fact create more deficit than Obama.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/new...roposals_tpc/index.htm?postversion=2008061115

Just one quick search, I have read many more.

Both plans suck, the fact remains study after study estimates McCain's plan would in fact make more deficit than Obama's.

I am voting RP as a vote against both of these incompetent miserable campaign tickets.

BTW even McCain is for creating new government

 

Exactly. People who believe Palin did stellar in the debate are what we like to refer to as uninformed/misinformed. Now by uninformed/misinformed I am not meaning it in an insulting way. Or to say that they are stupid. I found out just this week that 1 guy whom is IMO a lot smarter than me about a lot of things still thought Obama was raised as a Muslim.

But what I mean is that they are people who don't take into account the fact that her expectations were so low that all she had to do is come in there and recite her talking points without messing up. Those people forget what happens when she gets hit with tough questions.

Make no mistake about it. Palin's image is safeguarded like Fort Knox because frankly it's the only good thing the McCain campaign has going for it. They learned their lesson and Palin hasn't had to answer a tough question since the Kouric interview and WILL NOT within the next 30 days.

So as you are surprised to hear people think otherwise about Sarah's performance I have to say I'm not. Especially when you consider that 12% of Americans still think the country is headed in the right direction. Amidst all that is going on. 12% of 300 MILLION is a LOT of uninformed/misinformed people.....

But I wouldn't say every one of those 36 MILLION people are stupid.

 

You are referencing the Old Convenant. Something that we are no longer bound to according to the bible. Please reference the New Testament if at all possible.

 

If homosexuals wish to get married, then they should do so without the use of a preacher, church or prayer or any other religious elements. If thats the case than fine, From what i have seen, they want more than that, they want to get married in a holy temple, they want to be excepted by the christian church.

Even if you take out the religious stands, you have other issues for example the future of the human race. Man on man can not reproduce. Eventually tolerance will form, and a young boy in school will have a choice to choose another little boy or girl to be his mate. And this will eventually be the norm. Reducing the reproduction of the human species. Whats next? Animal sex? Child sex? Why not?

You keep saying "my religion" at this point in my life i have no religion, i am an open minded individual that stands on both sides of the fence. I have questioned, God, the bible, and Christianity all together. But The fact is, the religious have a right to defend what they believe.

 

How does it feel to know that the party you support would blast you as a homo loving liberal for having those views and label you as a blasphemer?

 

Sarah Palin wasn't labeled as anything of such last Thursday after the debate. She essentially said the same thing.

 

How does it feel to know that your so off base on reality that you will probably never return?

 

I'm off base? How so?

 

I finished your sentence for you.

 

Back in for a moment, mostly, due to a big, huh?

My, my, my. Lots of folks declaring things, and beyond having trouble with a consistent viewpoint, having trouble with the notion that a person's faith, or lack of faith, is none of their damn business. Lots of folks calling JW's and Mormons non-christians, lots of religions calling other religion's false, lots of judging going on. How about we just shut the fuck up, and allow everyone to be as they would be?

 

Totally false statement. Its an assumption, and a very far off one. You seem to be generalizing at a time where many views are different.

 

I am a Palin supporter and wouldn't say that. I think you have a twisted view of what it is to not support gay marriage. Not supporting gay marriage is not the same as wanting to hang all the homosexuals in America.

 

way to unbold what was actually in bold "at this point in my life" This change in words is exactly why your views are so obscured to me. You ignore the obvious to make a point

Yeah lets let the murders murder, and the terrorist terrorize, nice logic north.

 

They shouldn't be asked to get married without a preacher any more than someone who works on sundays should, someone who eats shellfish should or someone who wears cotton/polyester blend shirts should. all of these things are forbidden in the bible so why single out homosexuality?

So i'll ask you a straight forward question and see if i get a straight forward answer. Should people who work on sundays be prevented from getting married in a church by a priest on the grounds that they do something forbidden in the bible, The fourth of the ten commandments no less?

so what should we do? force people to reproduce? What about celibate priests? Aren't they are threat to the population of human kind? gay people aren't going to start marrying women and having children just because they can't get married to men. Homosexuality has existed for millions of years, You talk as if it's a new invention. It's not a threat to the population.

I'll ignore your remark equating consensual homosexual sex with paedophilia on the grounds that it's repulsive and repugnant and i don't want to justify it by spending time refuting it.

Just keep reminding yourself of this fact; Homosexuality is between two consenting adult men.

they can try to defend what they believe. what they can't do is claim ownership of rituals that they had no part in forming. i.e, They can't make a claim to "marriage" and then start demanding that some people be prohibited from doing it.