Offshore drilling will BARELY bring down gas prices!!!!

Yeah, but a lot of people voted for Bush because they thought a new president wouldn't know how to handle the new war in Iraq. If most people knew that the war was going to end up with no outcome then they may have voted for Kerry.

 

That's just wonderful, Greg.

I'm not sure what you call "middle class". When I first met you, you were whining and begging for handouts in another thread. That's not very "middle class" of you. I suspect that you and your "middle class" friends will be little more on the recieving end of Obama's handouts equation.

I don't want to hear a single complaint from you if your Messiah gets elected. As the price of oil goes lower and gas prices start going up because of taxation, then you remember who to thank.

Let's pretend that you believe that Obama won't raise your taxes. For the THIRD TIME, who do you think will pay those taxes he slaps on the oil companies? There's more than one way to raise taxes.

Everything about Obama is tax as spend. New programs and new handouts and more government.

 

Florida didn't mean to vote for Bush, they just couldn't figure out how to push that thing through the paper where the arrow pointed. Others just pushed a hole at every arrow. Don't blame it on them though, they have a PUG for a governor that put the fluoride in the water and chem-trails in the sky to brainwash his state.

 

Hey jkjazz. Who's in office right now? THE REPUBLICANS! And who voted with George Bush 90% of the time? JOHN MCCAIN! It seems that all you guys are denying that and are trying to make McCain out to be somebody else other than another Bush. I can guarantee you whatever happens if Obama's in office is 10 times better than what would happen if John McCain was elected in office. And why would you vote for somebody who wouldn't use the term "middle class" in the recent debate anyways? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!! There are people in trailer parks that are literally going to vote for McCain!!! Maybe they just don't know who's REALLY on their side. Don't vote for the rich person's candidate if you're not rich. But then again, if the economy falls apart if John McCain is elected, then rich people will lose a lot more than the tiny increase in their taxes under Obama.

 

Wow Greg, you gotta try to stay on topic.

Weren't you just whining about Big Oil and the rich getting richer? I show you where your logic falls flat and you either choose to ignore it or you're not bright enough to see it.

Big Oil and the Rich getting Richer. All tax increases on Big Oil will be paid by you and me. Try to stay focused.

 

The Democrats are not going to bring up gas prices like you're suggesting. Did Bill Clinton bring up gas prices????? I don't think so. The TRUE Republicans don't give a crap about high gas prices because they're so rich they could afford to pay $10/gallon. The "confused" Republicans that should really be supporting the Democrats are the ones that are going to effected when John McCain screws up the situation in the Middle East even more and brings up gas prices sky high.

 

Save your Democrat vs Republican crap. You just get confused and tend to ramble. Believe it or not, I don't even want you to change your vote. I'm just trying to show you that what you are preaching is not correct.

Businesses only have one purpose and that it to make money. You keep whining about how "BIG OIL" keeps getting richer. I suggest to you that "getting richer" is the primary goal of all businesses. I would also offer that a 7.5% is an absolutely reasonable profit margin for any business.

My thinking is that in your quest to hurt big oil, you and your buddy Obama are just going to hurt the taxpayers or consumers. It seems reasonable to me that big oil will just pass your beloved "big oil taxes" on to us, but it appears that you think otherwise.

Let's try to keep it simple here. Tell me how gas prices will not increase if Obama increases taxes on the oil companies.

 

Are you saying that the Democrats are not rich? I have heard and read studies in the past that state the Democrats have higher income than the republicans. The Clearwater is not so clear for you.

 

That's probably a small part of the reason why Kerry didn't get elected. But Obama and Biden "understand" what it's like not to be rich. McCain and his wife inherited their millions so all they understand is how to have everything handed to them.

 

Well Greg, if you are not going to respond, just STFU!

Go ahead and put on your blinders. Vote for your messiah. When the price of gas goes up and the price of oil goes down, I'll be the first in line to say "I told you so!!!"

This keeps sounding more and more like envy to me. You just resent anyone making it while you don't. Is that why you covet Obama's handouts?

 

Very, Very funny

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

We'll see what happens then. I honestly don't believe a word that comes out of a McCain supporters mouth because most of the stuff the Republicans are making up is BS. If McCain is elected in office, I highly doubt the price of oil will ever go down. McCain thinks we should stay in Iraq for 100 years so we can piss off every other Middle Eastern country that supplies us with our oil. McCain also supports offshore drilling more than he supports alternative fuel sources which in reality really won't bring down fuel costs. Obama has a plan to get us off most of our reliance on foreign oil within the next 10 years which is the smartest way to go.

 

This is not being honest.

He did not state he thinks we should, he stated more or less if we have to he'd be ok with it.

 

Hey Greg,

What happened to the guy that made this post?

 

Probably been listening to a collage* professor. (you know, like the art school professor)



* spelling provided by a Canadian PHD

 

My art history professor (oops.. guess what Jer went to collage to be?) was a staunch democrat as were most professors then and now.

Great professor, don't get me wrong. However he made an interesting statement in class one day. He said there would NEVER be a women president, EVER. He said that there was one reason for that. Menstruation.

I found that one of the most interesting and ignorant statements in my college years, and believe me there were a lot of stupid statements made by professors.

Most college professors obviously never gave up the recreational activities and drugs.

 

the top 1% of people make 20% of income. I believe they should pay more. Nothing wrong with that

 

They do pay more.

 

40% sounds reasonable for me.

 

I believe the ban on offshore drilling has now expired.

When this ban translates into new oil is anyone's guess.

Meanwhile extending tax credits for solar and wind power has still not passed.

Supposedly there is vocal support for this in Congress but these extensions are in bills with all sorts of other topics. The bills aren't moving forward.

What a shame. I don't know the tax credit cost on these two items. I can't believe they are huge though. In my mind these are clear investment opportunities. Both industries still need help to become more competitive. In their own right that makes them no different from countless industries that got off the ground with govt. help and then moved into the entire public domain without any govt involvement.

These bills should have been moved out of the complex political bills in which they are buried and supported by the administration along with its demands for expanding drilling.

What an enormous loss.

From little bits I've been reading wind is at or close to price competitiveness without subsidy. Solar is still a bit further behind. Additionally along the East Coast public acceptance and desire for wind turbines in the ocean is growing. Drilling, erecting, and connecting a bunch of turbine projects will give private industry experience and skill in bringing down costs. Manufacture experience will bring down costs to make the investments fall in line with competitive costs.

This is an area which would offer incredible upside and opportunity and cut into use of fossile fuels in a variety of ways. Geez, I hope they act on this soon.