Still banned after using a system 2 years ago?

Discussion in 'Guidelines / Compliance' started by george3000, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. #1
    This is the story:

    2 years ago I was some time home from work and I decided to put up a mini-site. It covered only 3 articles, but it was in a high-paying niche. I applied for Adsense and got approved.

    I didn't get any traffic at all because I was not promoting the site. But I wanted to have some Adsense revenues. Because I had a ADSL internet-connection, I got a new IP-adress every time I made a new connection.

    I thought I've found the chicken with the golden eggs. So I spent my days this way: clicking my own ads, renewing my ADSL-connection, clicking my own ads, renewing my ADSL-connection, and so on... 3 hours a day. After 3 weeks, there was already $2000 in my Adsense account. But then, all of a sudden, I got banned. Did Google notice something wrong? Although, the clicks came from a different IP every time I clicked on them. So I don't know how Google found out about my system.

    I didn't worry much about it, (except for the lost hours I spent clicking) after all I was cheating Google and somehow they found out about it. I shut down that site, and moved on with my offline job.

    Now, 2 years later, I'm getting back into internet marketing and I plan to take it a bit more serious than 2 years ago. So I set up a new website/blog and I applied for Adsense again, but I didn't get approved.

    So now my question is: Am I still banned after 2 years? I'm using the same payee-infromation as back then.
    I don't violate the TOS with my new site.
    Because it's a new website with only 30 articles (much more to come though) and with no promotion for my site so far, I only have a very small traffic amount. Maybe that's the reason I didn't get approved?

    Maybe someone with more Adsense experience could help me tackle this question? Also if you've got more info on that system I used 2 years ago, you can post it as well.

    Thanks
     
    george3000, Sep 29, 2008 IP
  2. Num Lock

    Num Lock Active Member

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    #2
    Good rule of thumb, once you're banned you're always banned.
     
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  3. WebDev Solutions

    WebDev Solutions Well-Known Member

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    #3
    Too be honest you deserve to be banned for doing that, you were not just cheating Google but you were cheating other webmasters. How would you feel if you paid google for CPC advertising and found out that you were losing money to publishers making fradulent clicks.

    However, I know several people whom have been banned in the past. They just got someone to register under a different name, and then they entered they bank details. They have never run into any issues doing this, despite the fact that the name on the account is different to the name on the EFT transfer.

    Don't take the above as solid and 100% accurate advice though. All I'm saying is I know of people who have been using Adsense successfully and recieveing payments from them for a sustained amount of time this way. Whether they will eventually get suspended, who knows.

    Hope this helps!
     
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  4. EuCoRi

    EuCoRi Peon

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    #4
    When Google bans, in 99.9% of the cases the ban is permanent.
     
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  5. Barti1987

    Barti1987 Well-Known Member

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    #5
    You can start a new company and use it to apply for a business account. It'll show that you are more serious.

    Peace,
     
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  6. jsitko

    jsitko Peon

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    #6
    I personally think you should be banned. It hurts all of us when things like that happen. That is why they are so strict with the rest of us who are trying to be honest. I know you have taken a more serious approach and I wish you luck and success.
     
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  7. nihangshah

    nihangshah Prominent Member

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    #7
    If you had $2000 in your adsense account, didn't Google send you a check? Google sends checks, once you reach $100 bucks.
     
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  8. WebDev Solutions

    WebDev Solutions Well-Known Member

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    3 weeks = 21 days which means it's plausable that a Google payment was not processed during that time, as they are sent once a month.
     
    WebDev Solutions, Sep 29, 2008 IP
  9. pimpinkid

    pimpinkid Active Member

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    But they send them at end of the next month.

    He said he made $2000 in 3 weeks.

    So if he was in march for example, they would only send his payment at the end of april and he would only receive towards the end june.
     
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  10. jkadin

    jkadin Peon

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    #10
    Its probaly people like you that realy make hard for the honest people now to make some money off adsense. You should be banned for life with adsense.
     
    jkadin, Sep 29, 2008 IP
  11. civicturbolive

    civicturbolive Peon

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    #11
    HAHAHAHAHA... google know where come from the clicker and where he go after the landing page.
    It's david vs goliat and david lose almost everytime! A++
     
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  12. globestar

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    I would help you but NO. You click your own ads
     
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  13. AngelaE8654

    AngelaE8654 Active Member

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    #13
    This is what I think you should do. I wouldn't do the "use someone else's name" thing as you may be caught and that might be seen as fraud (possibly even by the IRS) but if you start a new company and then use THAT name to apply, that should work. Good luck. :)
     
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  14. cscott5288

    cscott5288 Active Member

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    #14
    heres what i would do: go to your bathroom and shoot yourself you bastard.

    haha nah just kidding im not that cruel. yeah, just start it up again with someone else's info, like a close relative.
     
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  15. WebDev Solutions

    WebDev Solutions Well-Known Member

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    #15
    While I can see your point, nowhere in the Adsense TOS does it state that the payment has to be made out to the account holder. If that was the case, I do not think they would allow you to enter a different name when setting up the EFT monthly transfer.

    Furthermore, it could not be considered fraud as you are not violating the TOS nor are you faking information. You get a friend/family member to setup the account (so it is a real person) and you simply have the payments made out in someone elses name.

    The above means the process I described would be perfectly acceptable for anyone whom has not been banned by Adsense in the past. For those that have, it would most certainly violate the TOS, but only because it would still fall under the description of creating a secondary account after being suspended from the program.

    Hope this helps,
    Jim
     
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  16. george3000

    george3000 Peon

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    It went all very fast, I still had to recieve my PIN when I reached $2000. Eventually I got my PIN at home, but I was already banned at that moment :rolleyes:


    Thanks every one for your serious comments and advice.
    For those with less serious comments: well, I know I was wrong and a bit childish 2 years ago, but no advertiser was harmed because my (virtual) earnings were taken back by google. Now I'm more serious about it, and I'm planning to follow the rules (if I ever get accepted again).
     
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    Adpubster Peon

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    #17
    I robbed a bank but none of the investors lost any money because they gave it back to them after I was caught

    How much would the advertisers have lost if you had NOT been caught and continued the process as you surely would have?

    Do you see the similarities between that and what you did? You were determined to be a risk by Google and you are. They have to be forceful and not let you back in because they have no idea that you've "reformed" They have to protect their system. Otherwise can you imagine the waves of bad apples coming back into the system after their time was up if you were only banned for, say, three months?
     
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  18. iloveRP.com

    iloveRP.com Peon

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    #18
    Have you repented your sin? If you were a Google Adword Advertiser, how would you feel being robbed? I hope you won't do this kind of unethical practice again. I can't eat a hamburger bought with dirty money.
     
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    #19
    The probable reason is the very high income in such a short period, plus a very high CTR. Probably near 100% I would suspect.

    Did you not load your page quite a number of times without actually clicking on the adsense links?

    You deserve to be banned, cuz there are people who do the right thing by Google, and get bugger all money from them.
     
    adultuserbars, Oct 2, 2008 IP
  20. easydolla

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    I'm sure the reason they found out is because they had your full IP address. Meaning, if I had comcast, my IP would show as say, 1.26.181.28 , but thats not the full address, the full address would be 1.26.181.28.hsd.tx.comcast (or something like that),

    so, say your ISP was called adsl, you would see your ip as, say, 55.66.33.11, but they would see adsl.55.66.33.11, so they saw it coming from the same ISP.

    But I think you should be able to apply again. It's not like you gave them your SSN

    Just don't be doing no more click fraud!
     
    easydolla, Oct 2, 2008 IP