U.S. destroyer joins pursuit of pirates off Somalia

How the fuck do these guys hijack a ship with tanks and rockets?

 

Many of them are unsucessful.

 

That's true however the booty gained out ways the risk of death. Do you realize how much drugs and guns can be purchased in a third world country 2 to 35 million dollars.

 

They can grow there own drugs. But 2 to 35 million dollars will support an army with thousands of ak-47s and thousands of sacks of wheat and rice.

 

My question is who was selling this stuff and to whom.

These are Russian tanks. Were the Russians selling them? Were the Ukranian's selling them. Were the Ukranian's selling them with Western awareness.

Who are the buyer's supposed to be; Kenya, some folks in Somali; who?

 

Wasn't it Ukraine to Kenya?

I could be wrong

 

US Navy watches seized ship with Sudan-bound tanks

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — U.S. helicopters on Monday buzzed a hijacked Ukrainian cargo ship carrying 33 Soviet-designed tanks and other weapons that officials fear could end up in the hands of al-Qaida-linked militants in Somalia if the pirates are allowed to escape.

Thursday's seizure of the MV Faina off Somalia, a failed state seen as a key battleground in the war on terrorism, could bring dangerous effects across the Horn of Africa and the Gulf of Aden, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.

Piracy has become a lucrative criminal racket in impoverished Somalia, bringing in millions of dollars in ransom.

The pirates aboard the blue-and-white Ukrainian-operated freighter are demanding $20 million to release the ship, its 21 crew members, one of whom has died of an apparent heart attack, and its cargo of T-72 tanks, rifles and ammunition.

The ship, now anchored off Somalia's coast near the central town of Hobyo, apparently was destined for Sudan when armed pirates overtook it, likely from a speedboat, and climbed up the side of the ship.

"We maintain a vigilant watch over the ship and we will remain on station while negotiations between the pirates and the shipping company are going on," Lt. Nathan Christensen, a deputy spokesman for the U.S. Navy's Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, told The Associated Press.

Although the pirates have not been allowed to take anything off the Faina, they have been allowed to resupply, one U.S. official said when asked if those aboard needed anything such as food. The official declined to comment on whether the negotiations between the pirates and the shipping company are being monitored.

U.S. Navy destroyers and cruisers have been deployed within 10 miles of the hijacked vessel and helicopters were circling overhead because of "great concern" over the possibility of the cargo falling "into the wrong hands," Christensen said. At one point on Sunday, the captain of the Faina said a warship was about two miles away.

"Our goal is to ensure the safety of the crew, to not allow off-loading of dangerous cargo and to make certain Faina can return to legitimate shipping," said Rear Adm. Kendall Card, commander of the task force monitoring the ship.

Although analysts say the pirates will likely be unable to unload the tanks, the other military hardware or a huge ransom could exacerbate the two-decade-old civil war in a country where nearly every building is pockmarked with bullet holes and all major civil institutions have crumbled.

The U.S. fears the armaments may end up with al-Qaida-linked Islamic insurgents who have been fighting the shaky, U.N.-backed Somali transitional government since late 2006, when they were driven out after six months in power. More than 9,000 people have been killed in the Iraq-style insurgency, most of them civilians.

Mark Bellamy, senior fellow in the Africa program at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the pirates "are more interested in the money than disposing of the cargo."

"There's theoretically a possibility these weapons can fall into the wrong hands, but what is al-Qaida going to do with tanks in Somalia?" he said.

Christensen said the arms shipment was destined for Sudan — not Kenya, which had been claiming to be the arms' destination. "We are aware that the actual cargo was intended for Sudan, not Kenya," he said.

The 5th Fleet said the ship was headed for the Kenyan port of Mombasa, but that "additional reports state the cargo was intended for Sudan."

U.N. officials said there is no blanket arms embargo on Sudan's government, but any movement of military equipment and supplies into the Darfur region would violate a U.N. arms embargo if it were not first requested by the government and approved by the Security Council's Sudan sanctions committee.

The United States has expressed opposition to all arms transfers to Sudan, which it considers a state sponsor of terrorism. U.S. officials also have warned that the transfer of lethal military equipment to state sponsors of terrorism could lead to sanctions under U.S. law.

A Western diplomat in Nairobi, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to talk to the media, said the shipment was destined for autonomous southern Sudan — not Darfur — and did not violate the embargo.

Bellamy said it was not illegal to send weapons to the north or south Sudanese governments.

"There are lots of ways that weapons can get into Sudan, and this happens to be one boatload," Bellamy said. "The bigger thing is this continuing problem of piracy. It's been escalating for three years and they're becoming more brazen and emboldened. They're being paid and they then turn around and step up activities."

Jervasio Okot, spokesman for southern Sudan's mission to Kenya, said officials there were "surprised" to hear reports that the tanks and arms were destined for their region.

"Our government has no contract for the importation of arms with the Russian or Ukrainian governments," Okot said.

U.S. intelligence reports said the cargo's ultimate destination was Sudan and that Kenya was only a transit point, said a Western official in Washington who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was discussing classified material.

Ukrainian Defense Ministry spokesman Valentyn Mandriyevsky said the ministry was not participating in the arms trade and didn't know where the cargo was bound. A spokesman for Ukraine's arms trader, Ukrspetexport, would not comment.

The 5th Fleet said the Faina is owned and operated by Kaalbye Shipping Ukraine. A woman who answered phone at the Odessa-based shipping company and declined to identify herself said the company was not involved with the Faina.

Ukrainian and Russian media have said the Faina is operated by Tomex Team, a company based in Odessa. Its representatives have repeatedly declined to comment.

A Russian-based registry indicates the ship, sailing under a Belize flag, is also owned by Tomex Team. It lists the owner as Waterlux AG, with a Panama address but the Odessa phone number of Tomex Team, which it indicates is a subsidiary.

Russia dispatched a warship to the area, and it will take about a week to get there. The Neustrashnimy, or Intrepid, was in the Atlantic near the English Channel on Monday and will have to go through the Strait of Gibraltar, the Mediterranean and the Suez Canal to get to the Somali coast, said Capt. Igor Dygalo, a spokesman for the Russian navy.

At the United Nations, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said the world body should "organize a kind of cooperation between the naval forces of the countries that want to make their practical contribution to put an end to piracy in the area of the African Horn."

Christensen said the U.S. Navy maintains "standard bridge-to-bridge communication" with Faina's crew via radio, but stressed that they are not taking part in or facilitating any negotiations.

The 21-member crew was from Ukraine, Russia and Latvia. A Latvian Foreign Ministry spokesman said one man from Latvia was a "non-citizen," a term authorities typically refer to ethnic Russians who have not obtained Latvian citizenship.

There have been 24 reported attacks in Somalia this year, according to the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center. In June, the U.N. Security Council voted to allow international warships to enter Somali waters to combat the problem, but its 1,880-mile coastline — the longest in Africa — remains virtually unpoliced.

Nick Brown, the editor of Jane's International Defense Review, said it was unlikely the pirates would be able to use the tanks without specialized training and mechanics.

Mogadishu's arms markets are teeming with heavy weapons — including rocket-propelled grenades, AK-47s and mortars. source

 

Pirated Arms Freighter Cornered by U.S. Navy

NAIROBI, Kenya —American warships on Monday surrounded an arms-laden freighter hijacked by pirates, sealing off any possible escape in a standoff near the craggy Somalia coastline.

Lt. Nathan Christensen, a Navy spokesman, said that “several destroyers and missile cruisers” had joined the American destroyer that was already following the hijacked vessel. He would not specify the number of warships or what they would do if the pirates refused to surrender.

“Our intent is for the ship not to offload any of its cargo,” he said, referring to the 33 battle tanks and large supply of grenade launchers and ammunition now in the hands of the pirates.

The ship, operated by a Ukrainian arms supplier, was hijacked Thursday in Somalia’s pirate-infested waters. The American military, among others, fears that the pirates could sell the dangerous cargo to Islamist insurgents battling Somalia’s weak government.

And the controversy over where exactly the tanks were going has heated up again.

Two Western diplomats in Nairobi, a maritime official and the pirates themselves said the arms were headed for Sudan or other neighboring countries, not Kenya, as the Kenyan government has repeatedly claimed.

One of the diplomats, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said there may have been a secret arms deal in which Kenya would be a transit point for the weapons to be taken by train from the port of Mombasa and then out of the country. “I can tell you these tanks were not for Kenya,” the diplomat said.

The Kenyan government has denied this. On Monday, a government spokesman, Alfred Mutua, said: “We buy weapons all the time. I don’t see what the big deal is.”

He also characterized the pirates, in a statement, as “a ragtag terrorism unit.”

Ukrainian tanks, though, are a relative anomaly in Kenya, which has been a close ally of the United States and Britain for decades and has been equipped with Western-made weapons. Mr. Mutua acknowledged this, saying most of Kenya’s tanks were “old British tanks.”

But, he added, the Ukrainian tanks were cheaper.

“We choose who we buy from,” he said. “And we buy equipment from all over the world.”

Kenya recently bought several Chinese-made trucks to transport troops.

The first news reports on Friday regarding the hijacked ship said the arms were headed for south Sudan, which is an autonomous region of Sudan that fought a long separatist war against the northern Sudanese government.

There are currently American sanctions and a United Nations arms embargo against Sudan, though American officials said the application of these sanctions was complicated and that it might not be illegal for Kenya to provide tanks to south Sudan. United Nations officials said that in the past few years several large arms shipments have passed through Kenya en route to south Sudan. Often, the weapons are moved across the border at night.

Andrew Mwangura, program coordinator for the Seafarers’ Assistance Program in Kenya, which tracks pirate attacks, called the Ukrainian ship “a tricky vessel.”

He said, “The tanks were for Sudan, and the Kenya government doesn’t want to admit it because of the embargo.”

Mr. Mwangura was among the first maritime officials last week to disclose that the hijacked cargo ship was crammed with weapons. He said his organization monitors shipping in the Indian Ocean and has contacts around the world. He said the weapons aboard the ship included ammunition made from depleted uranium, which is dangerous to handle and typically used to pierce armor.

The pirates holding the ship have said they are not interested in the cargo and will release it and the 20 crew members if they are paid a ransom of $20 million in cash. One crew member has died, and the pirates have attributed the death to natural causes.

In addition to the American warships, a Russian frigate was on its way.

Somalia’s waters are considered the world’s most dangerous. More than 50 ships have been attacked this year. Many are still being held for ransom.

 

If the ships full of armaments bound for a country already under embargo... sink it. End of tale. There are dangers inherent in being an arms mule just like in being a drug mule. We damn sure dont risk a single life on our side to rescue those delivering illegal armaments, and a picture of the ship going down would make an effective visual aid.

In the future if pirates ask for ransom and the crew isnt delivering contraband, tell 'em they have an hour to disembark before the thing hits bottom and we'll pay the ransom to the families of the crew. Wouldnt have to do it more than a few times before they decide dying is a hard way to make a living.

 

Thats alot of tanks.!

 

What about the innocent crew members on board?

 

I'm not looking for a Nobel Peace Prize, I'm suggesting a way to end the problem. In the first case, people running arms to a country in violation of an embargo are screwed... they signed aboard the wrong boat. In the second case, we warn everyone in those waters that this is the plan, and instead of the ransom maybe we pay the families. Sounds heartless, but it'd be damned effective.

Like I said the second or third set of pirates in a row that visit the bottom after a torpedo hits will be damned hard to replace with new volunteers. Even if theyre brave they cant make a dime if no ransom is paid, theyre dead, and the cargo goes to the bottom. Ultimately it's a military problem and there will be casualties. The pirates depend on us to be warm and fuzzy, if they run into a naval command that acts pragmatically it'd fuck up their whole system. It is a workable fix.

Incidentally the line about "Halls of Montezuma" comes from a situation with pirates too... the Marine Corps effected a regime change to end that problem, and they did it with a handful of men who gathered local help to take a fortress that was supposed to be impregnable (it was... from the side facing the sea) from the rear. You want it fixed, let 'em loose and tell them to make it happen. Prior to that the young US Congress had been paying tribute to keep the pirates from taking our ships. Bottom line the pirates have to be dealt with, and it wont necessarily be pretty.

 

33 Tanks aren't that much. Just three tank companies.

The T-72 is a piece of junk. It costs about 5 million per tank to upgrade to NATO standards.

 

Send in the SEALS!

 

The Ship is Ukranian and the tranks belong to Kenya.

Time for Ukraine and Kenya to step up.

 

The pirates are not really pirates they are The Somalian coast guard and they were stopping the cargo ship from doing illegal fishing and dumping. That's all and now they have issued a fine.

source

 

Somalia coast guard

Reminds me of banditos calling themselves the Mountain Police

 

Not sure if the headline for this article is true or just wishful thinking....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b203625c-8f4f-11dd-946c-0000779fd18c.html

The headline stated that the pirates on board the ship are shooting one another and 3 died.

Good. Too bad it was only 3.

Hmmm....maybe the US could make a lot of money by having its navy escort ships in this area.

If this could work, the US could secretly train pirates....and then charge thru the nose for protection. We could do it for years if not decades. It'd cure the govt. debt problem.

. Geez....I grew up in an area with a heavy mafia influence. old habits never die...

 

The pirates don't have miliyary discipline and may eaisy turn on each other.

Most shipping lines fly flags of convenience. Perhaps they should start registering their ships and pay tax so that they would receive American naval protection.