Ok, I'm having an argument with a guy on how backlinks are seen by google in a forum. I say it's ideal to have your keyword in the title and in the anchor text of your link back. He thinks it's more important to have the sites url in the title and the back link text doesn't matter. He also believes that searching link example com is a way of checking back links even though I insisted that to check back links you have to search link:http://example.com, all he is doing is searching for sites with the word "link" and "example.com" in it. Given the way he trys to check his back links I guess having the url in the title would be better for him lol. But it isn't doing anything as far as building good back links or ranking better for his actual keywords goes. Please help me out in this lol, it's very frustrating.
Hahahaha! That is funny. LOL You are right. Just laugh and leave it. He can do what he wants. Or you could do a contest, but then how would you measure the results? By searching "link example.com" lol
Just tell him if you aren't given any name.. how can one know him? The same rule applies here too.. Just show him practical example... by going to advance search option of google and there you can show him the exact formula... what is taken as command and what is taken as keywords...
Can't you just show him in Google's webmaster guidelines where it explains how to use the 'link:' command? That should end the second part of the argument
Guys... if you only use the url in the anchor text then how can you possibly rank high for any broad match keyword searches? basically you cannot.. It's like saying have your domain in the title tag onpage...
Get him to search Google for 'click here'. That is a ranking that adobe.com has purely based on link anchor text. It shouldn't be too hard to find a page that has a website url, but no link to that page.
Actually, its me he's talking about I provide a unique service of posting messages on millions of forums, blogs and message systems worldwide to promote clients websites, products and/or services. I use special blackhat software that gets around all of the security pictures that require you to manually enter in alpha numeric characters. My automated software does all of the registration, including email validation and is able to post on any forum, blog, guestbook or message system. The software dynamically generates unique user names for each post. This is a guaranteed way to penetrating online established communities, gaining web traffic, and increasing your SEO. So now you all know what we're talking about. Refer to this thread: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1036968 I think the question of debate between him and I is NOT what Google does or doesn't do, rather the question is "what is more important" for SEO. I claim that if you want to see your site on Google search results as fast as possible, you need to put the name of your website with several hi profile keywords in the title of the forum thread. This ensures that the name of the website and post text is immediately recognized with those words. You can have a great post that contains 500 words and all the URLS you want, but the original title of the thread which is hash valued by Google will determine how the keywords within the post are recognized, categorized, etc., in relation to your site. Google is obviously not going to categorize your url with all of those 500 words in your post. The categorization of words is known as "keywords". SEO is all about getting your site to be recognized on major search engines for the keywords you want. In other words, lets say that I open a thread on DP and I ask a question that says: Is ICQ Chat Better than Yahoo Chat? Then I add 500 words of data and a url. According to Sfraise, this improves his SEO because he added a simple backlink. Sfraise doesnt want to promote Yahoo or ICQ, rather Sfraise wants to promote Sfraise.com Note: Sfraise.com is not the domain of this client. It's a fake name cause I do not release the names or project details of my clients. But if Sfraise would only put "SFRAISE.COM VS. ICQ & Yahoo.com Free Chat - Who's Better?" This would make Google recognize and categorize Sfraise with the keywords "Yahoo, ICQ, Free Chat, etc". So the url backlink would compliment the title to ensure that Google recognizes everything properly. But Sfraise doesn't want "Sfraise.com" to appear in the title. But then I gave an example of Demya.com. That is a site that I own. Over 15,000 forum posts have been published on Google for this 3 week old website. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=demya.com&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= Now, I always post threads with the name Demya.com inside of the title because I know that for SEO, this will guarantee that whatever keywords I add next to Demya.com will cause Google to categorize Demya with those keywords. For example, lets take the words: ESTABLISHED QUALITY which are 2 highly prominent keywords. On Google, you have 16,000,000 results. Demya.com is at the top. Again, this is a 3 week old website of mine with limited content. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=established+quality&btnG=Search I do agree that link backs are based entirely off of urls, but priority for keyword search engine optimization is primarily based off of the keywords you use in the title of your forum threads. When you ask a question on Google, it extracts answers by giving priority to websites that offer thread titles that answer the question within the title. Search engines produce first and foremost TITLES in the results. That is why the title is so important. Sfraise refuses to use any title that includes his domain name. I've made several hundred dollars from this client. So make no mistake, he's a great client and we've spent hours on the phone and chatting online. He knows that I only have his best interest in mind and my only objective is serving him to the best. As I told him, I offer many options but ultimately only do what my clients tell me.
geez...sounds like an elaborate way for this guy to advertise his seo service. lammmeeee. It is probably true that Google takes into consideration the title of the page that you are linked from, but I think the link anchor text is just as important if not more. It would be extremely tough to determine which really is more effective.
Millions? So you are admitting that you are one of the spamming problems that is prevalent today. It is because of your tactics that we now have stupid counter-measures such as Nofollow. Now you are spamming. Not only are you are spamming, you are making false claims that every other spammer makes. You are talking about associating your domain name with keywords. How fast your domain gets indexed has no relation with anchor text. Even if it did, you could not prove it one way or the other. There is something called the 'freshbot' which will throw all theories out the window. True association comes with the Href attribute of the link and its corresponding anchor text. Other factors, such as surrounding content and links will either improve or disprove the validity of that link. Then I feel sorry for your client. Either you are a great salesman, or your client is pretty much stupid. But I do commend you on duping this client out of his hard earned money.
Hmm I wouldn't waste my time arguing. I will simply show him my high ranking site and he will believe me in his own accord. As for links, the best explanation on why we have to use "link:www.domain.com" is because we are searching through the HTML code. Having "link www.domain.com" will do the same except that it is not filtered enough since you'll also find the word "link" on its own (as a title of the Links Page perhaps). Again, just let him think what he wants to think. It is not your job to teach him basic SEO. EDIT: @sharepro The guy is right. You should not put your whole domain on the title. It is just annoying to the visitors. Don't be a keyword addict.
OK... so i agree that sharepro is spamming..but from what ive read its just taking a short cut to the the goal that all seo is about. I personally would love to learn how to get indexed that quickly and that highly ! Were all here because we want traffic essentially. Isnt it just playing the modern game? I suspect im about to get shot down here... And sharepro.If your feeling generous
Different clients have different reasons for posting. Some are interested in SEO while others are interested in promoting their products or clients. I agree that it is very aggressive to post titles with website names in them - and a big draw back for converting traffic. Again, it really depends on how you do it. In the specific quarrel with the client, the client has a chat system site. For obvious reasons, I wont give out his domain. He wants to promote his site against Yahoo and other major chats. So adding his name next to their as if to say YAHOO.COM VS. CLIENTSITE.COM - WHICH CHAT IS BETTER can be legit. I repeat, just because you have a title and 500 word text post doesnt guarantee that Google will categorize and attribute each of those 500 words in the post to your website. Doesnt work that way. Your generalizing a science without taking into consideration other details. The title gives superior power to the post and its links. Make a search on Google and you will immediately see results that are relative based on TITLES. Google highlights the TITLES of pages in their results. People use the titles of pages to determine relativity to their query when choosing a site off of Google. People look directly at the title and ask themselves if it answers their question. So titles are the highlight of any search engine and all I suggested to this client was that he include his own website name in the title. A great post with a lousy title results in not being found properly. A lousy post with a great title means you can be found much easier. @ Dodger - Dude, take a deep-breathe and open some doors and windows. I don't know who rang your bell or called you from your attic/cellar - since this is supposed to be a friendly discussion on SEO. Seems your lacking some hazy sunshine. Unsolicited spam obviously sucks. If you watched my video, you would know that I take extra steps to ensure that the email registrations are all done via my own email servers. But posting on forums (that are specifically open for people to post on) are different than unsolicited spam email. Remember, people open forums so that other people will publish their thoughts, ideas, comments, and journals. This is all fair game. The fact that I use automated means (as opposed to manual registration) to register and post on forums is not unethical and nor is it "spamming". @airabongco - Again, if the approach is primarily SEO, then adding the keyword is important. When posting on hundreds of thousands of forums, some will get erased - but there will always be enough to ensure the increased rankings for keywords. However, for promoting products or services, the domain is irrelevant and aggressive. The approach really depends on the campaign. Some of my clients only really care about SEO while others care about web traffic, and some dont care about neither - rather they use doorway pages and only care about getting people to signup for one thing or another so that they can get paid. They dont forward you to their own domain so theyre not looking for SEO or to promote themselves. Every client is different - my job is to offer options. @ Dodger - It's not that I'm a "Good Salesman" rather it's the fact that I offer a Superior Service. No other service on this board can successfully penetrate online established communities that are relative to their campaigns. The client isn't bitching about prices. He's run more than one campaign with me. He's only questioning which method is best for him. So instead of referring to the client as stupid, maybe you should just walk on to some other thread cause your old, lack imagination - and to be quite frank - your boring. Cheers, SharePro
Well dude "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig". I never disagreed that you offered a superior spamming service. Quite the contrary. You can call it a service, a campaign, whatever ... it is still automated spam that offers nothing of value to the web. Just because a forum or blog are open to posts and comments does not mean you have a right to use your software to automatically register and bombard them with unimaginative cookie cutter one-liners. But I will apologize to your client for calling him stupid, and leave it alone. He is obviously uninformed and only knows what you want him to know. If you feel that you are not a spammer, then that is what he knows too.
You should simply register a test domain and see how well it does with the forum spamming technique. The google webmaster tools will tell you exactly how many backlinks IT registers as links, not the amount that "could" be links as is done by searching for the anchor within the domain.