Islam,The Religion of Peace: Thread to remove misconceptions!

Take a bit of time to read this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7625041.stm

Guess what religion the perpetrators belonged to?....

Let me give you a hint... "the religion of peace"

 

Your post is a clear example of what the west does! The british hacker who hacked into the American Governments system was never called a christian terrorist! But whenever a Muslim does anything the west links it to Islam. The thing is I have my doubts that Osama Bin Laden is behind 9/11 (due to conspiracy theories) but if he is, under Islamic law he should be executed. There is no reason to link him to Islam, if he is a terrorist he is against Islam.

 

Wait...before your make a sigh of relief that you have managed to rebuttal a relatively irrelevant bit of information in this otherwise failed thread from you, just consider...

Did the British hacker proclaim he was hacking for Jesus/Jehovah?
Did he openly say this hacking was done for Christianity?
Did he say that Jesus is ready with 7 virgins for him in heaven?
Did he chant Jesus Ho Akbar while he was hacking or even when questioned and arrested?
Did he have a belt of bombs around his waist while hacking away?

The answer to all the questions above is NO. No, no and no...

Thus he cannot be called a "Christan terrorist". What if he was a Buddhist, or a Hindu. Or better still, an Atheist? He never said he belonged to any religion....

Now just substitute a Muslim in place of the Christan, replace the words Jesus and Christianity with Allah and Islam respectively and the answer to all the questions above becomes a big TRUE. True, true and true....

Let me simplify the above for the readers...

Whenever we see a video of Osama, Al-Qaeda, suicide bomber, or any other terrorist organization for that matter, the words "Allah Ho Akbar" is the most conspicuous phrase. The black box conversation on the September 11 flights also carried the above phrase. Simply put, these terrorists are openly associating themselves with Islam and Allah, that is why the phrase "Islamic Terrorists" .

By the way, Al-Qaeda openly claims on several websites, video's, and interviews that they were behind the September 11th attacks, the London bombings and several other attacks around the globe. And what they always state is that the attacks were successful because of the grace of Allah...

Grace of Allah.... does it ring a bell!!! Or is there another Allah exclusively for terrorists and not related to your Allah

The point I am making here is that the terrorists are using the name of your religion and your God to commit terrorism and your leaders do nothing except for sit down and condemn.

But if there is a person who just makes his/her own opinion of your religion, there will be massive street protests (not forgetting burning of American flag) and calls for his/her death.

Why hasn't been there been any calls for Osama's death? It seems like its ok for Muslims to disgrace the name of Islam as much as they can, but a non-Muslim cannot even discuss about it.....

 

Let me tell you what... IRA fought for a catholic society, but they were never called Christian terrorists. Tamil Tigers fight for a homeland for Tamil Hindus in the midst of Buddhist Lankans. But they're never called Hindu terrorists.

Bin Laden worked for the CIA for more than a decade, and at that time, his terrorist actions were called resistance, and he was hailed by the west as a Mujahiddin. When Saddam declared war on Iran in 1980, western governments supported him with money, weapons, intelligence... He was an American bitch before he attacked another dictatorial monarchy called Kuwait.

The US government supports and props up dictators around the world, including in the heart of Arabia. It began in 1953, when the deposed the democratically elected ruler of Iran. Today, they support draconian dictators, in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait... and many other places.

Muslims are really pissed off, and they are fighting back. And yes, they use religion to legitimize this war. Because Islam compels you to fight evil. Tolerating evil is unIslamic. And it is very easy to portray America as evil given their track record around the world. So you find "terrorists" fighting in the name of Islam, coz it gives them credibility.

 

That's not true buddy. Tamil Tigers fight for something called 'Tamil Eazham', which is nothing but separate land for 'Tamils'. They are not Hindus. In fact, they hate to be called Hindus. LTTE Chief Prabhakaran's right hand Anton Balasingam was a Christian. So, they will not be and should not be called Hindu terrorists.

 

OMG, are you dumb? People and groups kill each other everywhere but they do not use the name of God to justify the course. Of course IRA was branded a terrorist organization by Britain, but not Christian terrorists because they never stated that they are fighting in the name of Jesus. Same for Tamils, they are branded a terrorist organization, but they never use religion to justify their course. Of course you don't get it, coz your religion teaches you to be dumb.

Its not the fault of Western Governments that these guys changed their stance. Just take a look at world events now, Its not only America or Britain or Israel your terrorist brothers are targeting, they even attack countries which never even have affiliation with them, such as India, Sudan, etc...And for your information, your own Muslim people are dying. Terrorists don't care who dies, be it an American, a Israeli, or a Pakistani.

Give proof of this. I want quotes from the secret USA Government documents you have read, not from some conspiracy blog on the net. Give hard evidence now. And if they support rise of alternative governments anywhere, its nothing to do with Islam. Don't mix politics and religion. USA rules...USA, the greatest country in the World...

There is a powerful image of the "religion of peace". Yeah, America is evil, but Osama is a saint. A country which does what it needs to provide security to its citizens is evil, but a man who cowardly hides in caves and orders other Muslims to die for him is not evil. A country, which got the world rid of Hitler and Nazi is evil, but an organization which beheads and hangs innocents for just being different is not evil.

Wow, Islam is in reality, a very peaceful religion.

Dude, think realistically. Your "pissing of", and idea of ruling the world by defeating America is a failure, just as this thread is a failure. God Bless America...

 

From where did you came to know that LTTE is Tamil Hindus??? and they are finghting for Hindu land??? I cant stop laughing ...

As far as I know LTTE is fighting for tamil speaking people in Sreelanka and has nothing to do with Hindus. Seems like you intentionally put Hindu there to support your cause .......Prove otherwise...


Between, everybody blames Islam for all these acts of terror not just because they are Muslims...but Its their claim that, They are fighting in the name Islam... Am i wrong?

 

americans complain about how louzy their government is and how it ripps them off and spends money on BS but they cant even begin to imagine the treatment 3rd world countries get from this same corrupt US government...hell the managed to ruin the US economy (a tall task just by itself) and they also managed to ruin the world for the rest of us with their blundering interventions, political or military...

its the muslims who are the fundamentalists yet binladen and saddam were US puppets from the very beginning LOL meddling in other peoples countries and politics...thanks USA! (sarcasm)

 

You are an idiot if you think the IRA was not fighting for a Catholic state, separate form Protestant Britain. Religion is a great motivator.

Your dumb brain knows nothing about Islam. You've never seen anything outside the anti-Islam sites around the internet spreading hate and propaganda. Islam is not just theology, it is a way of life. Like I said, "Tolerating Evil is unIslamic".

My terrorist brothers, eh? So I am a terrorist because I am a Muslim? You've got a brain the size of a pea.

It is not my fault if our brainwashed self can't see what US governments over the years have done across the word to incite hatred. Maybe its your pathetic education system.


3.8 million Vietnamese were killed in the Vietnam War. 2 Million Cambodians were killed after the war. War crimes were committed of which you've never heard of.

More than a million civilians have been killed in Iraq. What about them?


Bush didn't care what happened to Osama bin Laden. As soon as the Afghan puppet government was formed, US authorities signed a contract to supply Caspian Sea Gas through a pipeline through Afghanistan. Then, they turned to Iraq for oil.

How many wars has US been into since the end of WW II?

There are so many more covert and overt operations that I just can't list all of them here...
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I suggest you check out the book Rouge State for more information on innumerable coup attempts, assassinations, regime changes, bombings, etc carried out by CIA.

I never claimed Bin laden was a saint; He's a terrorist. But the US government is no saint either. I tried to explain to you the reason for this conflict. IF you're dumb enough to believe that Bin Laden hates you "for your freedom" and not for what your government does around the world, then stay in that illusion. I can't help you.

 

Gauharjk,
I appreciate you defending your religion and all that, but I tried to point out a factual error in your previous post about the Tamil Tigers. So, don't use it in your future arguments.

 

Forget the Tamil Tigers. I know Bin Laden is fighting in the name of religion. I can't deny that. But I can only explain why he's doing what he's doing...

 

See; it's not black and white. There's a lot of gray area here. You can justify Bin Laden's actions by pointing out the atrocities done by the U.S. government. But what about Islamic terrorism in India? I know you might want to point out to the Babri Masjid incident, but things didn't start at that point of time. Kashmir has been a haven for Islamic terrorists ever since Independence. And it still is. So, all I'm saying is, there are a lot of bad elements in Islam. Let's just hope that they realize what they're doing is wrong and things get better.

 

I hate terrorism. But some people hold the idea that terrorism should be linked to Islam, and I reject it. When bombs explode in our cities, the victims get killed and maimed irrespective of their religion. I would never support it. But some brainwashed sheeple want to link terrorism to my religion, and I reject that.

As you said, there is no such thing as Black and white, but there are shades of grays too...

 

One of the biggest reasons of Islamic terrorism is that your religious leaders, at least most of them, are full of crap. Check this out. It doesn't get stupider than this.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080065183

Common Muslims should immediately stop taking shit from these leaders. Only then we can have some change in the society.

 

The main problem is the lack of leadership. Just because the guy in the vid is a leader does not mean he is my leader. No, we don't have leader of the stature of Shankarcharyas in Islam. That guy may be a leader of some small group of people. But I can vouch for the fact that Muslims have no leaders. Atleast not since 1924...

 

Why would you doubt it, he's admitted it. As for linking him to Islam, the fact that he's operating under a fatwa and in the name of Islam might be part of the reason we have that misconception. Regarding "if he is a terrorist he is against Islam"... I assure you he is being hidden by Muslims for reasons pertaining to an Islamic Holy War.apparently homosexuals are getting hung for being against Islam, but I guess they make easier targets.

You said that if homosexuals admit to being such they must be punished... but you wont accept bin Ladens own word taking credit for the terrorist attacks on our soil. Muslims apparently lack the integrity of their belief in his case, and havent the integrity to condemn him, much less hang him. What a convenient belief system, kill the queers, but let bin Laden off without even a stern word.

Peaceful? Not a chance.

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That doesnt support the title or purported intent of the thread very well now, does it?

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This thread has been VERY enlightening.

 

You like to cherry-pick comments, and ignore facts on the ground. Fine.

I am glad you've been enlightened. But I hoped you'd get actual insight into the problem, but you chose to ignore it all. You also labeled me anti-American in an earlier thread. No problem. Believe whatever you want...

 

Again... here was your statement:

Cherrypicking?
Thats an entire paragraph that admits muslims (not terrorists, "muslims") "are pissed off and are fighting back" and "they use religion to legitimize the war"... and then you legitimize their premise by stating "Tolerating evil is unIslamic" plus "very easy to portray America as evil". Then tellingly you say that thus 'you find "terrorists" fighting in the name of Islam". Why the quotes around "terrorists". Typically that'd indicate that's what someone else calls them, but maybe not what you consider them.

Do you disagree that the 9/11 highjackers were terrorists? Do you disagree that they were doing it under the blessings of Muslim clerics? How are they NOT terrorists?

Credibility? With Whom?
I particularly find the part that says "So you find "terrorists" fighting in the name of Islam, coz it gives them credibility" very interesting. Credibility with whom? I think the answer has to be "Muslims". Correct me if I'm wrong... but suggesting that doesnt help your case here. You can accuse me of ignoring "facts on the ground"... but your litany of facts was actually an attempted justification of why the US is evil, thus essentially you are trying to bolster the case for the terrorists.

Avoid fingerpointing about ignoring facts since you're ignoring the implications of your own words. It is impossible to basically say that the terrorists arent terrorists and make an attempt at justifying their position as being compatible with Islam and simultaneously claim it is a peaceful religion. Doesnt wash.

We are not "brainwashed" into linking terrorism with your religion so long as you sit there and make apologies about how the tenets of your religion support their case. Look around yourself with fresh eyes. You may be practicing Islam while hating terrorism, but the link between the religion and the terrorists is an established fact. If you want to prove Islam is a peaceful religion, then Muslims need to turn their own wrath against the terrorists, not others.

 

What really gets my goat is trying to say that honor killings "are an isolated incident". Are they really?

The story Rob posted above reminded me of another thread from a long time ago from Samantha Pia: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=363632

I remember watching that thread wishing I could be there to save that poor girl. Stoned to death BY HER OWN FAMILY and stuffed in a suitcase for chatting with a boy who was of a different religion. So heartwrenching to watch, how scared she must have been at that moment....why is my own family killing me? The people that are supposed to protect you from harm....

Religion of peace, yea right.

And you are so pissed at us, the ones who love freedom, for offending you and your religion. I'm sorry but your religion offends everything we sweat and bleed for......our freedom.....

 

Where is Menji when we need him? He has a blog as well though. He is one that knows his religion very well. He will tell you why, according to the koran, Americans, Jews, Christians should not be respected.

mohamud (pbuh)


(pbuh - pigs blood upon him)