Islam vs homosexuality

Really? Try to read these two passages and tell me if they are 'trying their best' to give us insights.


"Well if they leave Islam and turn to some other religion and declare that publicaly being in an Islamic land, yes an execution will be ordered in order to prevent them from spreading mischeif in the land."

"At least many people admitted that Islam is a nice religion while they are non-muslim. Such are good people. May Allah guide them and open their heart to become muslims and win in the day of judgment."

 

Check out my previous post in this thread. And let me know if it's okay to condemn those practices or not. Open your mind man. I'm a libertarian. I'm against anything that restricts the freedom of human beings. Not just the Quran. It could be any damn book. It could be any religion. Hell, it could be the government. If it says human beings are supposed to live this way or should be executed, I oppose it wholeheartedly. Why do you take it as a personal insult?

 

You may read the first post of mine in this topic.

I have a question for you then,

why I have to adjust myself to the rules of the owner of some lands when I live or visit them?

If you surround your land with electricity and very high walls, and you put a warning there for that, then someone came to ignore what you have said and exceed the limits you have made, can I blame you if he dies?

 

4. .....but if it had been Allâh's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allâh, He will never let their deeds be lost,[]

5. He will guide them and set right their state.

6. And admit them to Paradise which He has made known to them.

7. O you who believe! If you help (in the cause of) Allâh, He will help you, and make your foothold firm.

8. But those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), for them is destruction, and (Allâh) will make their deeds vain.

9. That is because they hate that which Allâh has sent down (this Qur'ân and Islâmic laws, etc.), so He has made their deeds fruitless.

10. Have they not travelled through the earth, and seen what was the end of those before them? Allâh destroyed them completely and a similar (fate awaits) the disbelievers.

11. That is because Allâh is the Maula (Lord, Master, Helper, Protector, etc.) of those who believe, and the disbelievers have no Maula (lord, master, helper, protector, etc.).

12. Certainly! Allâh will admit those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, to Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), while those who disbelieve enjoy themselves and eat as cattle eat, and the Fire will be their abode.

we fight against bad behaviour.

 

I had a question for you in my previous post mate.

 

Your question makes absolutely no sense.

What makes you think you have the right to tell someone else what to do on 'their land' in 'their bedroom' you are bypassing the 'land' with your opinions.

 

I'm amused at your reply. Those two people are not wording their own thoughts. They are quoting from their holy book, which is supposedly infallible. Which means, any Muslim who truly believes that the Quran is the word of god is bound to be a fundamentalist. Am I right in making this argument or not?

Also, I have to add this. Or else, I'd be named an Islam hater. Anyone who follows a set of rules which are completely against the basic notions of humanity and liberty are fundamentalists by definition. Which is why any Muslim who truly believes that the Quran is 100% infallible cannot be secular and liberal at all. One classic example would be the bible which has verses against homosexuality. But we don't see moderate Christians killing the homosexuals in their community. My humble request to the Muslim brethren in this forum is this - Whatever is good, take it. Irrespective of the source. It could be the Vedas, it could be the Bible, or it could be the Quran. Whatever is bad, kick it out. It just makes everyone a better human being.

 

My point is that you're advocating killing people just because your book tells you it's right. You're justifying what the book tells you to do by pointing out *where* the book says it is ok.

You cannot use the Koran as proof that the Koran is right. Logic doesnt work that way.

 

If a person is a homo they should move to another country that will not kill them for practicing their immoral behavior.

 

how "christian" of you, fraud.

 

What are you talking about know? Stay out of the ale while posting.

 

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As appalling as i find religion i find hiding behind it to masquerade bigoted views even worse. Do you think that is the advice jesus would have given gays? move somewhere else if you don't want to be murdered? Fraud.

 

How is telling the people in Iran or wherever they are, to move because of persecution for being queer a fraud? That is just good advice.

If your country started hanging idiot atheistic, my advice would be to move. That is not being a fraud that is using common sense. You do masquerade quite a bit with your slanted views but you can do as you choose. You brought up religion not me. You are an agnostic fraud. I also don't think you should be hanged or stoned for your homo behavior. But if your country started doing this you should move.

BTW, you should ask Jesus yourself instead of asking me what Jesus would do.

 

People should not have to move because some other idiots can't control their hatred.

Your advice is tantamount to accepting the murder of homosexuals who stay. While it might be true that for their own safety they might desire to move, for you to suggest that is a solution or that they "should move" is pathetic capitulation.

I thought you understood the notion of standing up and fighting for your rights. I guess it is just talk.

 

I don't agree with this post

 

I don't think telling them to move is pathetic. Did you see the queers getting hanged in the image bogart posted. That sh*t is real. Remember what happened to the Jews that stayed in Germany. They were killed and that was real.

Browntwn people should not move and should fight under the right conditions. If a homo was mistreated on your block and you guys protested you would not be hanged or shot. In some areas in the middle east, people that stand up for gay rights are killed that day. I know, I have seen quick execution for bs in foreign lands. My suggestion to move in those countries is the difference between life and death. There is no fighting for a cause, such as gayrights, when you are dead.

Browntwn if you go to Iran and start standing up for gay rights you will be killed immediately. The Justice systems in the Middle East is vastly different than the US. A trial by an unbiased jury with a judge is a luxury.

 

I am taking issue with your post where you say "If a person is a homo they should move" without any condemnation of the Islamic laws that put them in peril in the first place. Your post as written was and is a pathetic capitulation.

Your suggestion that the oppressed just move shows a lack of intellectual courage on your part to stand up in this forum and say what is wrong. Instead you side with the Iranians who wish to kill homosexuals rather than challenge that law as simply wrong. It makes me wonder if your position is taken due to your own feeling about homosexuals.

 

They should or they will be killed.

I do not think they should be killed.

Me, telling them to move is common sense. It might be my Iranian background or my great grandfathers letters talking about being oppressed in Iran that gives me this knowledge.

If the gays challenge the law they are dead. You are the one wanting to kill homosexuals by telling them to challenge that law. browntwn you are an idiot and I hope that no one from Iran that is in the forum takes your advice. They need to move or stay in the closet.

My views about gays, What are they? I am not for killing queers. There was a gay teen killed in the midwest a few years back and was hung on a fence as he died or after the fact. I was appalled and thought the perpetrators should receive the death penalty due to the nature of their crime.