Islam,The Religion of Peace: Thread to remove misconceptions!

I would suggest you should better stop. You have no idea what you talking about. There is not death penalty for leaving Islam in sharia. Those who practicing it as a sharia law are wrong. There is no punishment at all for it.

 

Are you sure there is no death penalty? mrfazee is removing the misconceptions of Islam.

 

Just out of curiosity, doesn't most religions state something similar to this in their holy books?

 

Masked gunmen face that same non-report bias here. You always see headlines that say "Masked Gunmen Robs Bank" or "Masked Gunman Sought in Assault"... but never do they say "Masked Gunman Rescues Kitten from Tree". Life just isnt fair is it?

Seriously... suggesting we inquire about the GOOD things after affirming your government sponsored crede authorizes killing people for such trivialities despite harming no-one is a little like asking somebody to discuss the GOOD stuff about opening nite of "Our American Cousin" at Ford's Theater without considering the unfortunate part where Lincoln got his head blown off.

You cant have a "peaceful religion" that in effect is murderous, tyranical, and practices bigotry at gunpoint. Kinda defies belief that you think otherwise. You've dehumanized those you dislike to the point of not recognizing that their humanity.

 

I am not very religious myself and am not very up to date on what various religions teach. As far as I know, there is no other organized religion that openly proposes the death penalty for homosexuality and for leaving the faith - although other religions are opposed to those things it is my understanding that their opposition does not condone murder.

I roundly condemn any religion that would seek to kill a member who decided to leave the faith or to kill a homosexual because they felt threatened by their behavior.

 

I am an atheist so I am writing from a independent point of view, neither supporting Islam, or Christianity, Judaism or any religion for that matter.

Let me go back to the discussion that American soldiers are the real terrorists for killing a innocent boy. I ask, is killing 4000+ innocent people ok then? Well you may argue that those involved in the 9/11 events were not "real Muslims". But then what did the "real Muslims" do. Nothing expect fro sitting down on their fat a** and condemning the terrorists attacks. If there are people committing terrorist acts using your "peaceful" religion's name (note the emphasis on peaceful) as a justification, why hasn't any actions been taken against them?

Muslims are ready to kill homosexuals and deserters but wouldn't raise a finger against the very same people who are tarnishing your religion. Logically thinking, which is more threatening to Islam?

1) A homosexual who does his stuff inside the privacy of his own bedroom and a peaceful, law-abiding, helpful person outside in public?
2) A person who wishes to convert to another religion as a matter of choice, without criticizing and condemning Islam?
3) Or a terrorist using the name of your religion to kill innocent people and give a false impression to the nature of your religion?



I think for Muslims, the first two are more threatening than the latter. Why?
As I said earlier, Muslims condone killing homosexuals and deserters but they don't take actions against those who use the name of Islam to commit terrorist acts!!! I clearly remember the television pictures of joy and merry making out on the streets of Palestine during the 9/11 tragedy. Were the thousands of people celebrating on the streets "non-Muslims"? If so, then where is the fatwa (or declaration of war) against those who were supporting the terrorists acts? Better still, where is the Muslim fatwa against Al-Qaeda, Osama-Bin-Laden and other Islamic terrorist organizations? After all, they are using the name of Islam, the "peaceful religion" (note the bold) to commit acts that are no near peaceful....

I don't see homosexuals killing thousands of innocent people around the world each year!!!!
I don't see Islam deserters killing hundreds by placing bombs in public!!!!

But I do see people who identify themselves as Muslims doing the above. So if these guys are using your religions name in the wrong way, "real Muslims" should do their part and kill these people. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and others who call themselves Islamic States (meaning they follow the rule of the Koran) should be out and about hunting down Al-Qaeda, Osama and others and gunning them down. These are the people who are threatening the existence of Islam and not the homosexuals...

But since the so called Islamic states are not doing their Islamic duties of wiping out the "Islamic terrorists", it an an indication of their support for their actions. Remember, if Muslims do not kill homosexuals, it shows that they support their existence. So if they do not kill the terrorists, it shows an indication of their support for them.

Logically,

Support for extremists = support for terrorism and violence = not so peaceful religion

And this falsifies the argument of American soldiers being the real terrorists. In fact, they are doing the "Real Muslims" a favor....by killing the real threats to Islam. And if a few innocent lives are lost during the war, its negligible compared to what the Islamic terrorists would be doing if America had not started the war on terror.

EDIT:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Take a look at this website and see the "religion of peace" at its "greatness"....

 

http://bible.cc/leviticus/20-13.htm

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=14&chapter=15&version=49

Lots of 'similarities' found in lots of holy books.

 

Grim - According to Christian theology that "law" was invalidated by a sacrifice of Christ's life in the New Testament... and as such, not applicable. They may still base their disapproval on moral grounds on such statements, but there's a reason you dont see them pushing for a law to make homosexuality a capital offense.

You can pull weird things outta the Old Testament particularly all day long (I've done it too), but it doesnt equate to practicing those things. I'm not here to represent Christians any more than I am homosexuals (have my issues with both), but the fact seemed pertinent. Christians are by no means practicioners of Talmudic law. Heck, half of 'em arent practicioners of Christianity.

 

100% sure, apostasy has no punishment at all. His own concepts are not cleared, how can he remove misconceptions of non-muslims?

 

I'm not saying they are practiced, they however are apart of the holy book.

Anyone can claim down the road we should not follow X Y or Z, the fact remains that the bible as well has some really awful things in it. Some of which is followed by others, not simply because your particular religion does not follow them.

 

Never claimed otherwise. My point is that someone that practices bigotry at gunpoint is a step down the evolutionary scale from someone that carries a book that suggests similar practices were appropriate thousands of years ago in their sects history but wouldnt personally consider doing so on a bet.

 

I am the one they send when they have a problem with x, y or z.
I am the peace maker.

 

That would go hand in hand with much of my thinking on the subject in all actuality.

Most of the 'Christian' world is a bit more 'evolved' much of the Islamic world, like it or not is still a bit in the past.

Christians however were no better a few hundred years ago, burning witches, killing in the name of the lord and much more.

Many do still follow the old testament til this day, if they have the backing they would kill homosexuals and the like. I guarantee it.

 

I guess my feeling on the topic is that I cant hate Christians for some outdated law they say was overturned 2000 years ago unless I'm willing to consider the US a benighted slavemongering nation because the law of the land was once that slavery was legitimized per the supreme court word in Dredd Scott decision less than 200 yrs ago. It isnt applicable, it has been overturned, and we wouldnt practice slavery today. Seems the same. Still, Dredd Scott is on the books.

If there ARE some that'd kill homosexuals, they arent christians. There isnt any such allowance for that in Christian theology.

 

Thanks for reminding me why I don't follow words written on paper and instead what I know is right in my heart.

As I said before, I condemn any religion that would murder someone for not abiding by that religions rules. As I also said before, it seems that Islam is the only religion that is currently able to or tries to carry out such behavior.

 

Not all Christians say it's outdated, such as not all Muslims follow the law that is being quoted here as well.

BTW Christians are not the only ones who have those quotes in their holy book, another religion does as well

 

If you hold your breath waiting for me to suggest all who call themselves Christian even have a clue about their own religions theology you'd turn blue. That may be why I dont practice organized religion these days.

 

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/incidents.html



In 2006, US law enforcement agencies reported 1,415 hate crime offenses based on sexual- orientation bias. Of these offenses:

* 62.3 percent were classified as anti-male homosexual biased.
* 20.7 percent were classified as anti-homosexual biased.
* 13.6 percent were classified as anti-female homosexual biased.
* 2.0 percent were classified as anti-heterosexual biased.
* 1.5 percent were classified as anti-bisexual biased.




yes lets blame islam ..."were so progressive so lets blame the quran" ...its a shame that the whole of islamic population is less important than the illusion of "safety and freedom" for homosexuals...in "progressive" countries this does not happen nooooo...lets just focus on 2 countires where much less hate crime actually happens...


as for muslims not speaking out against alquaida and terrorism i am witness that this is not so...ive talked to muslim people/shop owners/farmers/police/soldiers/ect ect they dont support alquaida and terror...after every attack they too are negatively affected and this is not the kind of life and politics they want to support...1 billion + people!...i remember the outrage from egyptian people after the terror attacks at that temple on tourists...many of them went starving because their sole income was from tourists...none of them wish any harm to anybody they just want to survive they were shocked by the events and in disbelief...

if you want outright revolt from the muslim world just take a look in the mirror and see how many people in the USA are expressing their revolt at bombs being dropped on muslims by the US army on a daily basis..."support out troops" = bombs will be dropped, people will be killed...im sure that deep down in their hearts most americans do not wish any muslim or any other civilians killed but they will not exactly go on hunger strike over it...

i dont see any difference in the level of revolt in muslims and americans at the violence but im sure none wish harm to each other...even though you drop 1000-s of bombs on them...

 

Are those people charged or convicted? And a lot of things that could be considered hate crimes would just be calling someone a fag or nigger(don't attack me people, context, context).
So there is a big difference in calling someone a fag and in chopping their head off for it.
Plus, there's also a difference in what regular citizens do and what the state gives its blessing to.
A more logical argument would be to bring up our use of the death penalty. But then still, we only execute people who we believe have killed others, not people who haven't hurt anyone except the sensibilities of an imaginary and pissed off god.

 

Right on the mark 10/10.