The Obama thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by homebizseo, Jul 20, 2008.

  1. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #201
    Actually hombiz you mean $600 not $6 I believe.

    Yes some times tough love is needed, until you force the person to do something all you do is enable them.

    My wifes brother for instance is technically homeless, we did let him live here for awhile to an extent and ended up kicking him out.

    Oh yeah it's so 'bad' that we did not let an ungrateful ingrate stay here.

    We borrowed him money, we paid for food. What did he do? Come and go as he pleased, brought drugs into our place, refused to get a job.

    Had he showed some initiative we would have gladly continued to help him, as it was all we did was continue what his family did which was enable him. He needs to learn that he will not be taken care of like a baby for the rest of his life.

    You find that bad, I find that a reality check.
     
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  2. homebizseo

    homebizseo Peon

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    #202
    600 here $6.00 there. I don't think Obama should give him money or move him into Obama's house due to his drug addiction. But put aroof oer the mans head.
     
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  3. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #203
    Which only enables him...

    BTW I don't know the entire story of the situation, nor do you I'm sure.

    Who knows maybe Barrack even asked him to come to the US with him, who knows what the situation is.
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #204
    I've read Obamas tax plan, have you? That was a rhetorical question btw.

    A lot of those of us making that $250,000.00 or more, 5% or not, are the ones that pay salaries, create jobs, by goods, etc., for the 95%. We pay our fair share and then some. Raising taxes on us = raising taxes on the 95%.

    Lets not also forget that Obama DOES raise the SS tax on everyone.

    Lets just keep overtaxing the ones that pay the bills. And people wonder why we have to farm jobs overseas, don't give raises, and have to end health programs. We can't afford to if the government keeps taking it away from us.

    $250,000.00 year is NOT rich by any means. A two income college educated married couple with 4 kids in the city? That's barely scraping by. Man you are so out of touch its beyond all comprehension.

    Keep in mind that out of that $250k, by the time you take the taxes, health care, and other costs out, is considerably less than that. Kids are not inexpensive to raise. You're way out of touch with reality here.
     
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  5. homebizseo

    homebizseo Peon

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    #205
    No I don't know the whole story. I do know he has addiction problems and ben in and out of jail. He is not the type of person that should be around Obama's girls.

    But he should not be sleeping in a box. He is a human even though he has short comings.

    1) She has gonads and obama none:rolleyes:
    2) She has specifics to get things done he has none.:rolleyes:
    3) she has experience he has none:rolleyes:
    4) She thinks he is not qualified to be president as does everyone else that ran.
    5) she had a ton of sound bites to be used against him
    6) Bill can’t keep his parts in his pants. That would be more of a distraction than the Biden gaffes
    7) You can have only one chief and Hillary is not a follower.
    8) He is a sexiest.
    9) His wife would be jealous.
    10) She drinks beer and he drinks French wine.:eek:
     
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  6. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #206
    I just read an article where his brother admits Obama 'inspired him'

    http://www.newser.com/story/35440/obama-inspires-destitute-half-brother.html

    You don't know if Obama offered help, one does not have to be forced to accept help you know..

    Even if he didn't offer help, sometimes the best help is forcing someone to take responsibility for their own actions, it's the only way for someone to truly grow as a person.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #207
    I read the entire quote now and all I have to say is the spin is amazing.

    I'm all for lower taxes, how is that going to happen though? Both sides increasing the government, the war, we have HUGE bills to pay.

    How in the hell are we going to pay for it before the country itself collapses?

    He also appeared to be speaking to that of those making over $250,000 not everyone. I guess it could also be said that those making under $250,000 should pay more from the other side of things.

    Both sides simply suck.
     
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  8. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #208
    $250,000 is more than 95% of people. pay your share. that is all. i am sure other people will post a break down of how much each person tax will change.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #209
    Maybe so but one side is dangerous.
     
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  10. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #210

    Mia:

    You should be consistent. On one thread you imply Biden is wealthy. His 10 year tax records show he is right where you are. He has a lot of kids, though now grown.

    You claim he is wealthy...but on the above post you are calling out for every last extra penny for your own needs.

    Come on man. Be consistent.

    btw: I'm very very familiar with your comments directly above. $250 K is nice. But with families and respnsibilities it doesn't make you rich by any any any stretch of the imagination in America. A financial emergency can rip into that life situation at any time. $250 K goes a long long long way in Mexico and other places.

    On the other hand, I like the way Fred Thompson spoke about taxes in one of the debates. He said if he had Mitt Romney's money he wouldn't worry about taxes. Evidently that applies to McCain also.

    $250 is terrific. 400 is better. and so on and so on.........
     
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  11. homebizseo

    homebizseo Peon

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    #211

    Come on this is not rocket science. :rolleyes:Take a marker and reduce spending by 25%. Eliminate some programs completely. It's simple. Quit push bigger and bigger government down my throat. Keep taxes where they are and I repeat drastically reduce spending. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    jkjazz Peon

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    #212
    We don't agree on much, but we do agree on this!

    Enough of the spin accusations. Biden said what Biden said. He made his bed now he gets to sleep in it. "Patriotic?" Paying more taxes is not patriotic. Hell, it's not even "neighborly".
    I agree again! We're on a roll!

    Maybe so, but someone needs to tell the DNC to stop trying to paint this as patriotic or neighborly 'cause I'm not buying it.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #213
    Of which is NOT happening.

    As already stated to you before.

    That is the same as me running up tons of debt, then taking a lesser paying job under the logic that if I eat out once a week less I'll be able to pay it back. 'this time I see you don't mention reducing taxes, slightly different than last time'

    The debt is coming to us with interest, Social Security alone could destroy us.

    What you say sounds nice, it however is not logical, nor are either side doing it!

    http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-08tax.htm
    Where do you suggest we just magically cut 25% of government. I'm for it, lets get rid of the DEA for starters! Lets get rid of earmarks, lets reduce defense spending, you know damn well neither side is going to do it!
     
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  14. homebizseo

    homebizseo Peon

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    #214
    Reducing taxes or leave them the same just cut spending drastically.

    Why aren't they cutting spending? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #215
    ?

    Seriously confusing me with your posts.

    'Why are they doing it?'

    Why are they doing what?

    Neither side is reducing government, you know it, I know it.
     
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    #216
    My thinking is that it would be patriotic if the whole nation were to get onboard.

    What would be the effect the govt would just balance the budget and we all paid a 1% or 2% "get our ass out of debt" tax and went directly to out creditors.

    That would be patriotic.

    Edit:...and you are right grim, both sides need to reduce the size of govt.
     
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    #217
    1 or 2% to many families would force them out of their homes making the situation worse than it is now.
     
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    homebizseo Peon

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    #218
    I corrected my post

    But the difference is Obama wants Bigger government. That where his tax and spend will bite us with more programs. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek:
     
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    #219
    Oh yes because Bush wanted 'less' government and we all know how well that went.

    McCain appears to want more war than Obama, that alone would cost us more than a few programs.

    BOTH SIDES SUCK
     
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    homebizseo Peon

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    #220

    But the difference is Obama wants Bigger government. That where his tax and spend will bite us with more programs


    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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